Who Does Vegas Take From The Flames In The Expansion Draft?

[Love]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

contrary to fan opinion, the Flames like Brouwer

And who gets exposed?

Lazar who they just payed a 2nd for?

Ferland?

[crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Love

Shinkaruk. Them taking Brouwer is pipe dream.

Every teams fans think that Vegas is going to alleviate their cap problems by taking their anchor, but sadly it's probably not going to happen. Shinkaruk is a young asset that can probably fill in in the 3rd line for them next season and get ~25points.

Not sure I agree with this. Vegas will probably look to get as many established NHL players as possible on the roster in order to be able to compete right away, and I would think that means spending to the cap from the start. Vegas is business, perhaps more so than any other team in the league, and I don't think McPhee is interested in gathering a bunch of magic beans through the expansion draft, sacrificing short term success with the hope that it pans out long-term. Also, this is the guy that traded prospect Filip Forsberg for Martin Erat, so it's pretty clear what he values, and in this situation that should become even clearer.

[Love]

Originally Posted by crapshoot

Not sure I agree with this. Vegas will probably look to get as many established NHL players as possible on the roster in order to be able to compete right away, and I would think that means spending to the cap from the start. Vegas is business, perhaps more so than any other team in the league, and I don't think McPhee is interested in gathering a bunch of magic beans through the expansion draft, sacrificing short term success with the hope that it pans out long-term. Also, this is the guy that traded prospect Filip Forsberg for Martin Erat, so it's pretty clear what he values, and in this situation that should become even clearer.

You don't think he's heard enough backlash about that trade? Why would he make that type of move again.

I was on the Brouwer to LV hypetrain myself until recently I was on the Lightening's page on HF (to gauge their opinion on Drouin), and I saw a thread about the expansion draft, and their fans were talking about Callahan the way we talk about Brouwer. And everybody there was planning their lines for next season with Callahan being claimed. It just reminded me how every team has a 'Brouwer'. I'm sure LVG will have to take one or two for salary cap reasons, if it's ours, we're laughing.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Love

You don't think he's heard enough backlash about that trade? Why would he make that type of move again.

I was on the Brouwer to LV hypetrain myself until recently I was on the Lightening's page on HF (to gauge their opinion on Drouin), and I saw a thread about the expansion draft, and their fans were talking about Callahan the way we talk about Brouwer. And everybody there was planning their lines for next season with Callahan being claimed. It just reminded me how every team has a 'Brouwer'. I'm sure LVG will have to take one or two for salary cap reasons, if it's ours, we're laughing.

The difference between Callahan and Brouwer is significant. Callahan has has had 2 poor years in a row along with significant injury issues. Brouwer has had 1 down year, his career is not in the same place as someone like Callahan. To be perfectly honest I would prefer Vegas take Shinkaruk, Kulak or some other prospect that is mediocre and leave Brouwer with us so he can have a bounce back year and be who Treliving thought he was when he signed him.

[crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Love

You don't think he's heard enough backlash about that trade? Why would he make that type of move again.

I don't think he cares about the backlash very much though, it's not like that is the only trade he's ever done that includes sacrificing future development in order to win now. Vegas probably hired him because of his record with a perennial winning team with the hopes he could make the team competitive right off the bat, and the guy is probably gonna do a pretty good job with that too. Not saying that this makes it certain Brouwer, Callahan or anyone else will be picked, just that it's not that far fetched to think that he could look to grab a bunch of bad contracts in order to get a veteran group on the ice. Another difference from Callahan is that McPhee knows Brouwer very well from the Caps, and he could possibly even be looking at Brouwer as captain material for the Golden Knights.

[Burner]

looking at the poll results - just wondering if its people wish who LVGK will take or who they actually think they will take.

why do people think they will take Brouwer? bad season - long contract....

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I would expect Stajan.

If this happened it would be my dream come true

[Robbob]

If I am Vegas, I think the draft lottery results plays a little into this decision now. Unless they manage to trade up, I don't think the player they select at 6 will be ready. I think grabbing some players that in Hunters situation (tweener looking to make the jump to the next level) maybe a good way to sell the player to the new fan base. If Calgary wants to make a deal to protect a certain player then maybe dangling Hunter and either Kulak or the rights to Wotherspoon. Get a couple magic beans to start building that mid 20's age group for the Vegas franchise.

Only question is if the Vegas management group thinks those tweeners have potential or are AHL fodder.

[kyuss275]

To many variables to know if they would take a vet or a prospect.

If they take vet..... Stajan. One year remaining and lower paid $'s than cap hit.

If they take a prospect ....... Kulak.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Burner

looking at the poll results - just wondering if its people wish who LVGK will take or who they actually think they will take.

why do people think they will take Brouwer? bad season - long contract....

I voted Shinkaruk (but didn't consider waiver eligibility so I have some doubts now). That said, Brouwer is the biggest "name" projected to be available from the Flames. I don't think a down year will deter LV, and the salary isn't a huge issue for them right now. Mainly it depends on who they get from other teams and what position they play IMO.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by Burner

looking at the poll results - just wondering if its people wish who LVGK will take or who they actually think they will take.

why do people think they will take Brouwer? bad season - long contract....

At first I thought it was wishful thinking. Then I looked at the list of players. None of the Flames prospects are sure NHLers. Kulak is probably the best but Vegas will have pretty good depth on D. At forward, Bouma and Stajan can provide something, but only for 1 year. Let's be honest, those 2 can be replaced easily, so for Vegas there's no value except for 1 year, and even then it's minimal.

Brouwer is a 30-40 point guy who can add some physicality. He will not be any worse than he was this year. He has leadership capabilities, and he has 3 years of term. Add on the history he has with the GM. I think Brouwer may be the one after all.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

No surprise BT talks up Brouwer.

Improves chatter about an asset to increase value so we don't have to pay as much to move him.

Or if the price is too high to move him, takes heat off from him in the offseason

The trade value of players is never affected by the positive things said by management in the media. These bits are predominantly for fans. Brouwer has been in the League a long time, and I am quite certain that every GM knows exactly what kind of a player and person he is without Treliving's testimonial.

I tend to think that Treliving was being genuine in his comments.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

At first I thought it was wishful thinking. Then I looked at the list of players. None of the Flames prospects are sure NHLers. Kulak is probably the best but Vegas will have pretty good depth on D. At forward, Bouma and Stajan can provide something, but only for 1 year. Let's be honest, those 2 can be replaced easily, so for Vegas there's no value except for 1 year, and even then it's minimal.

Brouwer is a 30-40 point guy who can add some physicality. He will not be any worse than he was this year. He has leadership capabilities, and he has 3 years of term. Add on the history he has with the GM. I think Brouwer may be the one after all.

I'm actually surprised how much hate Brouwer gets around here. It reminds me of how some people bellyached about Sarich for the longest time.

He is a decent 2nd to 3rd liner at his price considering his experience. The fact he under produced a little on the scoreboard last season does not erase what he is capable of.

I think, given the players we are likely to expose, they would be smart to take Brouwer.

[Ashasx]

I would probably have said Kulak if the list defencemen available from other teams wasn't much better than the list of available forwards.

But Vegas's defence will likely be its strongest aspect, so I think Stajan will be their choice.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Love

Shinkaruk. Them taking Brouwer is pipe dream.

Every teams fans think that Vegas is going to alleviate their cap problems by taking their anchor, but sadly it's probably not going to happen. Shinkaruk is a young asset that can probably fill in in the 3rd line for them next season and get ~25points.

Brouwer was a consistent 40ish point guy until last season. Fans put a lot on "what have you done for me lately" with players which is why several people are really in the anti-Biahop camp. One bad year doesn't make a career in most cases.

My problem with Brouwer is the fact he did not fit with any of the lines. Perhaps giving him a spin with Backlund-Frolik next year could help him like it did for Tkachuk, Colborne, and Bouma in the past?

Also the McPhee factor could be real. He knows what he is getting with Brouwer and 3 years isn't crazy term for an expansion team.

If the Flames had any real value players Brouwer wouldn't be considered but the junk we are offering to Vegas may prompt them to take the player they know?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Burner

looking at the poll results - just wondering if its people wish who LVGK will take or who they actually think they will take.

why do people think they will take Brouwer? bad season - long contract....

You're talking about a team without established leadership that is going to be hard pressed to reach the cap floor (and will be nowhere near the upper limit).

1 down season aside, Brouwer is respected league-wide for his locker room presence and leadership, Treliving specifically credited him with improving the Flames locker room and being a big reason why they improved over the course of the season. At 4.5 for 3 more years on a team that can easily fit it into their cap... how is any of this a negative thing?

Having Brouwer for 3 years also gives you consistency. They'll be full of contracts that are up with a year or two max, and considering our below average selection available outside of Brouwer... he seems like a pretty solid choice.

I still voted Kulak because I think Brouwer will be protected somehow, but if left completely exposed then Brouwer would be a great selection. Brouwer is just suffering from homer whipping boy effect, where because he's in the dog house people view his value as zero (opposite but similar to the 'golden child' effect, where a prospect is basically a sure fire first liner after one good junior season).

[Leeman4Gilmour]

I said Bouma. When he's at his best, he's a very good bottom 6 guy and being it's his contract year that should motivate him. It's a middling contract which Vegas will need some. And, only one year left. So, if he continues to deliver below contract value, it's relatively low risk for Vegas.

[Gaudfather]

Just listening to Treliving talk on Fan 960 this week (after his contract extension) he sounded pretty positive on Brouwer - leaving goals and assists aside - it was about his leadership in the room etc.. I'm not sure Treliving will even expose Brouwer when the June expansion draft comes.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

If this happened it would be my dream come true

Why? Stajan is more useful, cheaper and has less term than Brouwer. That's who I think they'll take, but I'd prefer if it was Brouwer.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

Just listening to Treliving talk on Fan 960 this week (after his contract extension) he sounded pretty positive on Brouwer - leaving goals and assists aside - it was about his leadership in the room etc.. I'm not sure Treliving will even expose Brouwer when the June expansion draft comes.

I also think that Brouwer will get protected.

To be clear, this isn't what I want to happen, really I am indifferent. The Flames seem to like him and their goal production isn't so good that they can spit in the face of 13 goals. Brouwer is not an addition by subtraction player. He is just not as good as his pay grade, still, it doesn't seem like the Flames are bothered by his contract.