Have to laugh at people that are constantly whining about ticket prices and won't sit in PL. Being in the building for a playoff game anywhere is significantly better than any couch.
Isn't half the point of season tickets/playoff tickets that you sell them for beaucoup bucks on the secondary market and maybe only go to one game a round?
I don't know who can actually afford cup final tickets to all three or four games, but paying $1000 for a pair to game 6 when you sold games three and four for a collective $3500-$4000 seems like good economics.
I also think the prices are on the higher side to try and cut out the profit margins for scalpers. So it sucks that they're pricey but at the end of the day I'd rather ticket prices go to the Flames than Broncos guy and his scumbag friends
Some pretty funny views in here. 'The price of Flames tickets is how much people make in a month in China therefore they are way too high.' Like what in the actual ####, how is that in any way relevant or applicable.
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I also think the prices are on the higher side to try and cut out the profit margins for scalpers. So it sucks that they're pricey but at the end of the day I'd rather ticket prices go to the Flames than Broncos guy and his scumbag friends
Broncos guy is still scalping tickets I see. I remember him scalping tickets to sporting events 20 years ago in this city. Quite the career
$110 x 2 x parking x food and drinks adds up real quick. And it's for crappy nosebleeds, no thanks.
Price is still ridiculous regardless if they sell out every game.
Well, if you ride the train to the game and not drink any beer and eat before you go to the game, then it's just $110 x 2 + train ticket x2 (obtw, your formula should've been $110 x2 + parking + food and drinks, not "x", just to nitpick )
I can afford crappy $220 nosebleeds but it's totally not worth it when the sight lines are terrible, can't see the jumbotron, and bunch of drunks all around you.
I believe it should cost more to sit beside me! $220 is a deal of the century.
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People could really just exercise their sympathy skills every once in a while.
While I get that there are rational arguments for saying the prices are fine, if a Flames fan feels like they're being pushed out of a crucial fan experience, it still sucks for them. Telling people their complaints are stupid and/or pointless is just going to make it suck more.
We get it, Flames are a business and they need to set their ticket prices like a business and not a welfare. For the fans however it's not just business. It's emotional and you'd think other fans would be people who get it, not people who basically laugh at you for complaining.
I have never seen a Flames game live. Every time I've planned a trip something has come up, and now things have gotten so bad financially that even legal TV streams are a luxury I need to consider before purchasing. I'm starting to think I might die without ever seeing my team play live.
Yeah, it' kind of stupid that this is even a thing I care about in my current situation, but it would still be nice if I felt like there was a place where such worries would get some sympathy.
You know, like a fan forum or something.
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Count me in the camp that would suggest that on an overall basis that the price of hockey tickets are generally too expensive. Add in parking and snacks and it is quite the bill for a night out, and then if the flames play poorly, then you really feel like you did not get any value.
Over the years I generally get to between 2 and 5 games via work relationships, so when I take my son to see the kings, it is somewhat easy to justify buying good tickets as I can mentally spread the price out.
Count me among those that would likely turn his nose up at PL seats because I have HD/surround sound at home, but that being said it would be neat to enjoy the playoff C of Red in person.
Life is full of trade offs.
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Im of the view that the flames should increase prices markedly in the playoffs, but that they may be going a bit too far. In economics, there is a valid argument to queue vs. highest price in deciding how some goods are allocated. Healthcare and sporting events are two such areas where a lot of people think allocation by queue is much more fair.
1) Difficult to call the Flames a business because the owners have never pulled a penny out of profits for their own usage. Profits are reinvested or used for community purposes, including various charities.
2) Pricing remaining playoff tickets more reasonably would reduce profits that could be used for charitable purposes income money to help kids play hockey (if their families couldnt otherwise afford it), the arts, kids with cancer, etc. Higher profits will eventually be used to fund a new arena. Lower prices = more accessibility, but less money for worthy causes.
3) The reason the flames are a community asset is because people have an emotional attachement to the team and their winning is a source of pride for people in the region. It sounds like bull####, but the flames help build civic pride. And civic pride is extremely important to our city, province, and country.
4) The high price of face value in the primary market reduces accessibility for the middle class fans. Over the long run that reduces the value of the community asset in terms of intrinic pride for the people in the city. Attending games live (especially playoff games) is one of the best ways of building emotional attachment. If middle class fans dont get to experience playoff games because the flames price the tickets too high...then the fan base will shrink over time.
5) The incimental revenue for the flames by increasing face value is small because only ~3,000 non-STH seats are sold at face value for each game. Thus, reducing face value by $50 would costs the organization $150,000 per game and would still see a large difference between STH price and face value.
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You should probably also complain about how much a new BMW costs today, and how it was cheaper 13 years ago.
This is missing the point on so many levels.
Not only is BMW a luxury car brand, for which out pricing a huge portion of the market is their explicit intention and part of their allure as a luxury brand, but the cost of a BMW hasn't actually outpaced inflation over the last 13 years the way flames ticket prices have.
Since the flames market themselves and pride themselves on a public good who have deep roots in the community and as a product that is available to virtually all fans, whether they are wealthy or budget conscious families, them adopting a similar sales technique to an intentionally exclusionary luxury brand is actually kind of offensive to their fans and totally disengenuous.
This is further insulting, given their desire to extort money from the same families that have supported the team and helped them become a cornerstone of the community, by asking to pay for the arena via city and provincial handouts.
It is literally elites using their power and influence to leverage the dedication and emotional ties to their product to take valuable money that could be better used on improving our already struggling public services, and instead use the money to fund a more enjoyable entertainment expense while simultaneously pricing those very families out of the product that they claim to be "improving".
So yeah, excuse me if regular john q fan feels like the organization that they already spend a huge portion of their discretionary income on owes them the opportunity to enjoy that product without re-mortgaging their home.
But I guess to some people that just makes those delusional fans entitled and they should just send a message with their wallets by not going and giving up the very institution they helped build over the last 35 years in this city.
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You should probably also complain about how much a new BMW costs today, and how it was cheaper 13 years ago.
Quite right. I bought a 1973 BMW 2002 (fantastic car!) for $3,750 back in the day. That's around $21K today. I'd happily buy a BMW for that. But they won't sell me one for that price.
Not much more to add outside of what's been said. Its a supply and demand issue, and its the same for all other ticketed live entertainment events. Its unfortunate not everyone gets to go but that's how it works. If its that important to you you'll have to allocate your budget appropriately.
The great thing today however, is that watching hockey on TV is awesome. HD, replays, easier access to food, washrooms, beer. Frankly it can be a better way to enjoy the game.
And if you want to enjoy with other fans you can go to a bar. You don't have to be in the building to enjoy the playoff experience.
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Not only is BMW a luxury car brand, for which out pricing a huge portion of the market is their explicit intention and part of their allure as a luxury brand, but the cost of a BMW hasn't actually outpaced inflation over the last 13 years the way flames ticket prices have.
Since the flames market themselves and pride themselves on a public good who have deep roots in the community and as a product that is available to virtually all fans, whether they are wealthy or budget conscious families, them adopting a similar sales technique to an intentionally exclusionary luxury brand is actually kind of offensive to their fans and totally disengenuous.
This is further insulting, given their desire to extort money from the same families that have supported the team and helped them become a cornerstone of the community, by asking to pay for the arena via city and provincial handouts.
It is literally elites using their power and influence to leverage the dedication and emotional ties to their product to take valuable money that could be better used on improving our already struggling public services, and instead use the money to fund a more enjoyable entertainment expense while simultaneously pricing those very families out of the product that they claim to be "improving".
So yeah, excuse me if regular john q fan feels like the organization that they already spend a huge portion of their discretionary income on owes them the opportunity to enjoy that product without re-mortgaging their home.
But I guess to some people that just makes those delusional fans entitled and they should just send a message with their wallets by not going and giving up the very institution they helped build over the last 35 years in this city.
I picked BMW, because it's a luxury brand. Owning a BMW is not a right, and neither is going to a Flames game. A hockey ticket is a luxury product, that is not a necessity. Throughout this thread there are people complaining about the current price of a hockey game, and are comparing it to what prices were 13 years ago. Why not just compare them to the finals in 1989 and even further prove a misguided point? If you have to remortgage your home to watch a hockey game, you have some horrible decision making, and need to learn to prioritize.
There are 19,289 seats in the Saddledome. There are about 1,000,000 people in Calgary. Not all of those people want to watch hockey, but enough do that the demand outranks the supply. The Flames could price all tickets at $25, but since demand would still be above supply, there is a secondary market that will price these tickets above $25. Instead of the Flames getting the amount that the market will bear, the people reselling the tickets get the profit.
Throughout the season almost every game had tickets that went unsold from the Flames, and all of these had season ticket holders trying to give away tickets, or sell them below cost. Many times they went unused. Now that the playoffs are here, everyone wants to go again, and many are complaining about the cost of tickets. There are many people that didn't attend any of the 41 regular season games, but now feel entitled to a cheaper ticket during the playoffs. I do think it makes them delusional to expect to pay a lower price for something others are willing to pay a higher price for. Once again, a hockey ticket is a luxury good. We'll see how many of those fans want to attend Tuesday night games in November against the Avalanche.
Here is the cost for my pair of season tickets in the green section, both for regular season and playoffs:
2007 - $58.74 - $83.70
2008 - $68.79 - $91.22
2009 - $70.87 - $91.20
2015 - $84.09 - $118.52 - $138.26
2017 - $86.33 - $124.60 - $145.38
The increase in the past couple of years from the regular season to the playoffs is about the same percentage increase as it was 10 years ago. I pay about 47% more per regular season game. The increase has outpaced inflation, but the salaries went from $41.5M in 2007 to $73M in 2017. That 76% increase in salaries has to come from somewhere, and ticket prices is the most likely place for it to come from.
You are also trying to tie the first round ticket prices to the new stadium debate. I haven't entered that debate before, and I don't intend to do it now.
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Start your own business, and become rich. Then you won't care how much tickets are. I'm going to start my own business and become rich. I figure by 2020, I will be able to purchase a luxury box with ease. I just have to work hard.
Right now I would only be able to afford one game.
This guy has it figured out. Just do what he does guys.
Of course that means no playoffs this year for you, but on the bright side in 4 years you'll have a luxury box.
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