Fidel Castro passed away at age 90.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by jayswin

It all just comes off really juvenile and reflects more on the person saying it than the prime minister, imo.

60-90 year old white conservatives crowd

I'm sure you mean that as a joke just like people mocking Justin for being a drama teacher.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Ya. Good call. This is the kind of false equivalency that is ruining any sort of reasonable dialogue.

Here's a hint. Trump/Pence haven't even proposed anything remotely as bad as what Castro actually did. But hey keep rocking that Che TShirt Brah.

I wasn't the one who brought up Trump. If someone wants to bring him up as if he made some awesome comments towards Castro then I will respond.

And just because they're not as bad as a communist dictator doesn't mean they're good. They are both scum.

Keep rocking the "make America great again" T shirt brah.

Trump is an embarrassment to human rights and should worry about his own beliefs before he worries about another country. Or is he mad he wasn't allowed to start his Casino in Cuba?

[transplant99]

LOL!!

#TrudeauEulogies Osama Bin Laden will be remembered for his love of air travel and inspiring the youth to follow their dreams of becoming pilots. He also is to be commended for his building demolition and setting the standard for hide and seek

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I was referring to Dion's comment but I just didn't want to quote him as I was too lazy to go back and find it. It is difficult to say how Castro improved the population (or didn't), however with an embargo placed on the country it is sufficient to say that there would be difficult times regardless. I don't think he should be celebrated as a leader for all that he had done, but I also don't think that he is the monster that propaganda would have you believe.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. That's gold. You realize Donald Trump for example would have to execute thousands of illegal immigrants to even get in the same mass murderer sentence as Castro.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Other world leaders have said similar things.

India:



Spain:



European Union:



Mexico:



The Vatican:



France:



South Africa:



Bolivia:



Ecuador:

Several of those quotes are intentionally non committal. The exact opposite of Trudeau's statement.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. That's gold. You realize Donald Trump for example would have to execute thousands of illegal immigrants to even get in the same mass murderer sentence as Castro.

mind you most estimates of Castro's 'victims' tend to include anyone who died trying to paddle to Miami, any soldiers killed in Cuba's foreign adventures or fighting against the communists in the revolution or bay of pigs, in terms of his actual sentenced to death for political crimes or the like its a few tens of thousands over 50 years, not great by western standards but small beer by most of central American standards.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

mind you most estimates of Castro's 'victims' tend to include anyone who died trying to paddle to Miami, any soldiers killed in Cuba's foreign adventures or fighting against the communists in the revolution or bay of pigs, in terms of his actual sentenced to death for political crimes or the like its a few tens of thousands over 50 years, not great by western standards but small beer by most of central American standards.

If someone dies trying to escape a house fire is it not pinned on the fire?

[Regulator75]

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by nik-

If someone dies trying to escape a house fire is it not pinned on the fire?

Are they carrying the crown jewels on their backs while drowning? Most Cuban refugees were economic refugees. If an island country is under an embargo for 50 years and the people with capital are fleeing to the U.S., it affects everyone that is left back on the island. It makes them that much poorer.

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Several of those quotes are intentionally non committal. The exact opposite of Trudeau's statement.

It doesn't really matter. Someone died and he gave his condolences. It's complicated for sure, but I don't see the issue as being big.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

mind you most estimates of Castro's 'victims' tend to include anyone who died trying to paddle to Miami, any soldiers killed in Cuba's foreign adventures or fighting against the communists in the revolution or bay of pigs, in terms of his actual sentenced to death for political crimes or the like its a few tens of thousands over 50 years, not great by western standards but small beer by most of central American standards.

Are you including the 100,000 or more people that were put in forced labor camps and beaten and abused and tortured and worked pretty much to death. Or the high profile people that were locked away because they spoke against the Great Gunner.

Or the people that tried to escape and were machine gunned in their rickety boats.

Or when Castro Liberalized and put policies in place that people that spoke against him were mentally ill and shipped off to "Mental hospitals"

Human Rights Watch just loves this guy.

He was a monster, he basically threw a revolution to overthrow a monster and because just as great of a monster.

There are no good words for this man, in a just world they'd throw his corpse into a sewage pit and move on.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It doesn't really matter. Someone died and he gave his condolences. It's complicated for sure, but I don't see the issue as being big.

You don't see the difference in sending condolences as a matter of diplomacy versus using the descriptions of...


"A legendary revolutionary" and "a remarkable leader"...when the guy was responsible for the cold-blooded execution of gays, dissenters, and anyone else who didn't fall into line with his narrow view of the world?

You're smarter than that.

[nik-]

haha wow, I just read the whole statement. Pretty over the top and way beyond a diplomatic condolences message.

Getting hammered internationally too, and rightfully so. For a guy so concerned with his image, the international critiques are probably going to be the hardest for him to handle.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by nik-

haha wow, I just read the whole statement. Pretty over the top and way beyond a diplomatic condolences message.

Getting hammered internationally too, and rightfully so. For a guy so concerned with his image, the international critiques are probably going to be the hardest for him to handle.

Agreed with the bold part.

Trudeau is set on creating a brand around himself and this will be problematic for those who are most sensitive to the issue. Many will see it as no big deal, but to those where this issue really matters, I suspect 95% or more will definitely see it as a problem and won't easily forget.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It doesn't really matter. Someone died and he gave his condolences. It's complicated for sure, but I don't see the issue as being big.

Uhh no, it does matter, hence why people are talking about it. It is literally the exact thing people are discussing and criticizing Trudeau for.

Is it complicated? Sure, but that doesn't excuse stupidity.

Is it a big issue? I'm the big picture probably not but people are obviously something between confused and offended that he's expressing such personal condolences for a controversial figure in the name of the Canadian people.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

he is what he is and the drama teacher remarks are accurate, the guy spends all his time travelling around taking photo op's while doing nothing to help canadians... but dont let the facts get in the way.

Don't let facts get in the way, he says.

How about "don't make vapid oversimplifications of what Trudeau is actually doing and try to pass off your bias as objective fact"? How about that for a change? I'm tired of "ERMAGHERD HE'S A DRAMA TEACHER AND TOOK SELFIES", really? That's your talking point? People harp on about him being a 'drama teacher' when -- guess what -- that still requires a Bachelor's degree in Education. He has the same credentials of the people who teach your children, do you hold such a low opinion of other educators? If not, why not?

If you have valid concerns, then state them. But continually pointing to irrelevant talking points like selfies and deriding his previous education career is going to make half of the people you talk to tune you out, and the other half contribute to your echo chamber. Neither is a productive outcome.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Don't let facts get in the way, he says.

How about "don't make vapid oversimplifications of what Trudeau is actually doing and try to pass off your bias as objective fact"? How about that for a change? I'm tired of "ERMAGHERD HE'S A DRAMA TEACHER AND TOOK SELFIES", really? That's your talking point? People harp on about him being a 'drama teacher' when -- guess what -- that still requires a Bachelor's degree in Education. He has the same credentials of the people who teach your children, do you hold such a low opinion of other educators? If not, why not?

If you have valid concerns, then state them. But continually pointing to irrelevant talking points like selfies and deriding his previous education career is going to make half of the people you talk to tune you out, and the other half contribute to your echo chamber. Neither is a productive outcome.

i did mention he is doing nothing for canadians, didnt feel the need to go into great detail on that in this thread.... if you feel different that is your opinion.

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[missdpuck]

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It is. And the school system is preparing for a new influx of immigrants. Levels have increased since the election due to fear that the immigration process that makes it easier for Cubans will be repealed . Now or never, I guess.


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[Flamenspiel]

Here are a few #trudeaueulogies from today's papers, The two from Andrew Coyne are the best:


'Though not universally liked by his compatriots, Mr. Ceausescu was a leader in urban design and affordable housing' #trudeaueulogies
— Cam Vidler (@camvidler) November 26, 2016

“While a controversial figure, even detractors recognize Pol Pot encouraged renewed contact between city and countryside.” #trudeaueulogies
— Andrew Coyne (@acoyne) November 26, 2016

“While a controversial figure, General Tojo brought America into World War II and ultimately helped shorten the war.” #trudeaueulogies
— Andrew Coyne (@acoyne) November 26, 2016

Today we mourn the loss of Norman Bates, a family man who was truly defined by his devotion to his mother. #trudeaueulogies
— Mike Hogan (@tsnmikehogan) November 26, 2016

#trudeaueulogies “Today we say goodbye to Mr. Mussolini, the former Italian prime minister best known for his competent train-management.”
— J.J. McCullough (@JJ_McCullough) November 26, 2016

#trudeaueulogies "While Emperor Nero was controversial, his dedication to song and writing poetry signaled a Roman artistic renaissance." https://t.co/67oGEgZgDi
— Jason Hickman (@jasonhickman) November 26, 2016

[OMG!WTF!]

"He certainly was a polarizing figure and there certainly were significant concerns around human rights. That's something that I'm open about and highlighted, but on the passing of his death I expressed a statement that highlighted the deep connection between the people of Canada and the people of Cuba."

Yes. Deep connection. Bet he doesn't even speak Cuban.