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Shazam · 10-23-2016, 09:44 AM

I think there's just a lot more pressure on the players to perform, and they're failing miserably.

The old coach is gone so it's on the players now.

Meh they'll play their way out of a playoff spot and then start to play well once the pressure's off.

Aarongavey · 10-23-2016, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

So you admit to not knowing anything about the new coach but feel qualified to say he could be fired after a handful of games?

I do think that if your new coach positions the team you cheer for to be out of the playoffs by November 1st it is fair to question the hire, regardless of how much you know about him. It is kind of a results business.

Signing Giordano longterm as a 33 year old dman was a bad signing. Seeing how Giordano worked out last year and how the team worked out would have been the prudent thing to do. Regardless of how the rest of the pieces are working out, Giordano is the odd one out in terms of age for a rebuilding team.

The combination of a bad coaching hire and a pretty awful long term signing of an elderly dman is not a great combo for a GM whose only real feather in his hat is the Hamilton trade and locking down a core that we hope can be a perenial playoff team.

Sainters7 · 10-23-2016, 10:11 AM

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Can Hitchcock be convinced NOT to retire next year?

Idk, just judging him physically last night, he looks like he's got one foot in retirement already. Holy crap was he looking old and fat, he's always been a husky guy, but not like that. Just looks very tired and out of shape, I don't expect him to return.

locsofblu · 10-23-2016, 10:54 AM

Treliving will fire GG first to try and save his skin. Then whoever he hired next will probably decide his fate.

Yamer · 10-23-2016, 10:55 AM

To me it's clear Brad Treliving is an incredibly talented and savvy businessman. His contract negotiations and trade returns are evidence of this. He also carries himself with remarkable professionalism, and always seems to say the right things in the right way.

However, with some of his signings and staff decisions I am not quite as confident with his hockey acumen.

I still like Treliving and think he is a valuable asset to this organization. Even so, I think he needs to re-evaluate precisely what his vision is for this team. And I hope he isn't above owning his mistakes and taking the proper consultation where it is necessary.

Flash Walken · 10-23-2016, 10:57 AM

The most substantive post in this thread appears to point to Gulutzan's body language as the main indication he is a poor coach.

What an awful thread. Group of morons discussing hockey without a clue.

cannon7 · 10-23-2016, 11:09 AM

Would welcome a Maloney takeover at this point. The apprentice still has more to learn.

DazzlinDino · 10-23-2016, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

You know that guy who always complains about how every girl he ever dated was straight up crazy? The reality, inevitably, is that he is the problem, not them.

It's one thing when a top player or two is struggling. But when all of them are, that is a major indicator the problem lies higher up the chain.

I can see pinning some of it on the coaches but why are we seeing such poor efforts from the top line? There is no excuse for the top line to be playing so uninspired. I remember last season fans could accept losing if the effort was there.

JiriHrdina · 10-23-2016, 11:21 AM

I don't know that it's an effort thing. For instance, I think Johnny is trying but he isn't using his line mates enough, isn't shooting and isn't adjusting. That's execution not effort

locsofblu · 10-23-2016, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The most substantive post in this thread appears to point to Gulutzan's body language as the main indication he is a poor coach.

What an awful thread. Group of morons discussing hockey without a clue.

Treliving get's a free pass?

Ashasx · 10-23-2016, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by locsofblu

Treliving get's a free pass?

Sometimes a manager can make all the right moves, but hockey is played on the ice.

The last thing the Flames need to do is something reactionary and make things even worse.

AltaGuy · 10-23-2016, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I don't know that it's an effort thing. For instance, I think Johnny is trying but he isn't using his line mates enough, isn't shooting and isn't adjusting. That's execution not effort

To me Gaudreau has had nowhere to go. Monahan is slow and about as nimble as a schoolbus this season, and everytime Gaudreau gets the puck he is swarmed with no one to move the puck to.

No one has helped Gaudreau open up any ice.

nik- · 10-23-2016, 11:27 AM

If this stretch of games up to Nov 10 goes really poorly, it's going to be a long painful season of watching a team with little chance of making the playoffs.

The schedule is nasty, .500 would be a big achievement.

If it goes south on this stretch, it's going to be an ugly 65 games for management and the coaching staff.

edslunch · 10-23-2016, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Why are some folks seemingly reluctant to point the finger on the most obvious direction...the Flames best players have been awful. There's your group to blame.

The top players are not performing and deserve some blame. The coach' job is to get the most out of his players and he's clearly failing at that. Lots of blame to go around.

DazzlinDino · 10-23-2016, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I don't know that it's an effort thing. For instance, I think Johnny is trying but he isn't using his line mates enough, isn't shooting and isn't adjusting. That's execution not effort

It may be a little bit of both but if his line mates are not generating enough speed or getting to those open spaces the other team just collapses on him. On top of that he is getting pushed around constantly with no response from his teammates.

DazzlinDino · 10-23-2016, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by AltaGuy

To me Gaudreau has had nowhere to go. Monahan is slow and about as nimble as a schoolbus this season, and everytime Gaudreau gets the puck he is swarmed with no one to move the puck to.

No one has helped Gaudreau open up any ice.

This is why I think that line needs a skilled play-maker not just a guy with size. If you got 2 guys who have speed and skill other teams have to respect Johnny but right now without the other 2 he is on an island on his own most of the time.

locsofblu · 10-23-2016, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Sometimes a manager can make all the right moves, but hockey is played on the ice.

The last thing the Flames need to do is something reactionary and make things even worse.

I do agree with you to a point but at the end of the day this is a result orientated business. I'm not so quick to write this team off yet but this is one of the worst flames starts I've seen in awhile. Some of the blame falls under the gm. If things continue this way let's see what kind of damage control Treliving does.

CSharp · 10-23-2016, 11:42 AM

Even though Feaster brought in the smaller players, he actually made the team faster and more exciting than what we currently have now. BT is just a typical NHL GM who's playing it safe. He's lucked out on some acquisitions; but for some, it's kind of a head- scratcher. For others, especially for goalies, it's just been a bust. Looking back, it just seems like BT is trying his best to erase all of Feaster's brand of hockey and trying to put his brand in replacement. If the Flames weren't in a rebuild mode, sure, BT's branding may work. Things aren't working right now with this ongoing rebuild and the firing of Hartley is still one stinking mess that he's made. What the Flames need right now is a block-buster trade that'll shakes up things, especially on the D. BT isn't the guy who's gonna do it. It'll take a guy like Burke or Feaster to do it and I don't think either will be coming back on a the Flames GM any time soon.

Ashasx · 10-23-2016, 11:58 AM

Wait, what?

Treliving is safe? Has there been a more active general manager in the league since he took the position? Has any team been involved in more rumours? What is an unsafe move, trading players for poor value just to take a low percentage shot in the dark?

Unlike Feaster, Treliving is trying to improve the team with every trade, and his trades occur often.

I honestly feel like people have completely forgotten how terrible Feaster and Darryl were as managers.

Max Cow Disease · 10-23-2016, 12:01 PM

Yeah I didn't mind Feaster in some areas, but if we think what's happening with the Flames in the present moment is scary, it would be doubly so with Feaster steering the rudder on a "blockbuster deal" to shake things up...