09-24-2016, 12:47 AM
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#101
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by calgaryblood
Flames doctors aren't in Toronto are they? Not sure how it would be their call if they can't even look at Backlund.
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Yeah they are.
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09-24-2016, 12:53 PM
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#102
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Resident Videologist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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@CraigCustance
Mikael Backlund out for the tournament and headed back to Calgary.
https://twitter.com/CraigCustance/st...53844595159041
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09-24-2016, 12:55 PM
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#103
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Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: victoria
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Originally Posted by AC
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I think the fact that he is clear to travel is good news...maybe.
Either way glad he isn't playing any more world cup games
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09-24-2016, 01:08 PM
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#104
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Franchise Player
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Sucks as players are signed to these contracts by owners for the benefit of their NHL club and due to a tournament that isn't part of the NHL season, though run by the NHL, that NHL team's fortunes are impacted.
Backlund is important to Calgary's success but Ekblad gas an even larger one to Florida's.
The owners agreed to the tournament and I'd expect some provisions to be made after the current tournament is done. I don't see the World Cup growing interest in the NHL so not sure why owners will take that risk.
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09-24-2016, 01:24 PM
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#105
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by activeStick
Sucks as players are signed to these contracts by owners for the benefit of their NHL club and due to a tournament that isn't part of the NHL season, though run by the NHL, that NHL team's fortunes are impacted.
Backlund is important to Calgary's success but Ekblad gas an even larger one to Florida's.
The owners agreed to the tournament and I'd expect some provisions to be made after the current tournament is done. I don't see the World Cup growing interest in the NHL so not sure why owners will take that risk.
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Its actually interesting the more you think about it though.
As fans, this impacts us because we're affected by the fortunes and performances of our particular teams.
We want the Calgary Flames to be as good as possible and win and we want the Edmonton Oilers...well we want them to be either wiped off the map by a meteorite or launched into the Sun so they're a bad example, but we just dont care about any other team.
However, the owners, as a collective, have Revenue Sharing responsibilities, so if the Calgary Flames have a bad season due to the loss of Backlund from this tournament and as such lose Revenue, one would assume this would be compensated by a reduced Profit-Sharing payment to lower performing clubs.
So you can think Backlund hits the IR, the insurance company coughs up his paycheques for a bit, the Flames experience less success, generate less Revenue (thats an assumption that may be incorrect but I'm making it for the sake of argument) and ergo pay less out in Profit sharing (also potentially an erroneous assumption because if Backlund is being paid by insurance then the lower Revenue from poor results could conceivably be off-set by reduced costs to the Club because insurance is paying the liability) so really...there might be no direct cost or influence from the Financial side of things.
From the performance side of things, well thats a bit more ethereal...yes, more ethereal than that heavy paragraph about balancing costs and revenues, but it stems from the marginality of performances when replacing players. Its much more difficult to quantify.
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09-24-2016, 01:24 PM
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#106
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Quote:
Originally Posted by activeStick
Sucks as players are signed to these contracts by owners for the benefit of their NHL club and due to a tournament that isn't part of the NHL season, though run by the NHL, that NHL team's fortunes are impacted.
Backlund is important to Calgary's success but Ekblad gas an even larger one to Florida's.
The owners agreed to the tournament and I'd expect some provisions to be made after the current tournament is done. I don't see the World Cup growing interest in the NHL so not sure why owners will take that risk.
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The point of the World Cup is to be an alternative to them going to the Olympics. This way at least they're making some money off it while their players get injured.
Even just exposure to players like Johnny hockey are going to guarantee an increase in JH memorabilia, get more fans into the Flames, etc. It's a calculated risk for owners.
Last edited by Bandwagon In Flames; 09-24-2016 at 01:27 PM.
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09-24-2016, 01:31 PM
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#107
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames
The point of the World Cup is to be an alternative to them going to the Olympics. This way they at least they're making some money off it while their players get injured.
Even just exposure to players like Johnny hockey are going to guarantee an increase in JH memorabilia, get more fans into the Flames, etc. It's a calculated risk for owners.
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So do the owners of the Panthers look at the Ekblad injury and start to reconsider their stance and support for the tournament?
1st overall defencemen of Ekblads pedigree are extremely rare. I'm not sure what his status is but if he (or someone of similar pedigree) has their potential career cut short, I know that if I were an owner I'd be 100% against sending my players to such a tournament.
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09-24-2016, 01:34 PM
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#108
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Originally Posted by activeStick
So do the owners of the Panthers look at the Ekblad injury and start to reconsider their stance and support for the tournament?
1st overall defencemen of Ekblads pedigree are extremely rare. I'm not sure what his status is but if he (or someone of similar pedigree) has their potential career cut short, I know that if I were an owner I'd be 100% against sending my players to such a tournament.
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It sucks, of course it sucks. It would of been equally devastating he was injured during the pre-season. It's the cost of doing business.
Would you rather these injuries happened in the Olympics less than 2 months before the playoffs?
It's the owners that want the WC to succeed. Not sure how else to lay it out for you.
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09-24-2016, 01:37 PM
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#109
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by activeStick
So do the owners of the Panthers look at the Ekblad injury and start to reconsider their stance and support for the tournament?
1st overall defencemen of Ekblads pedigree are extremely rare. I'm not sure what his status is but if he (or someone of similar pedigree) has their potential career cut short, I know that if I were an owner I'd be 100% against sending my players to such a tournament.
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Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames
It sucks, of course it sucks. It would of been equally devastating if it happened during the pre-season. It's the cost of doing business.
Would you rather these injuries happened in the Olympics less than 2 months before the playoffs?
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Again, sort of pursuant to my prior post, if Ekblad is out then hes being paid more or less by insurance and if the Panthers suck without him they're eligible for more profit-sharing payments.
It wont say it 'evens out' because I dont think thats accurate, but the overall risk is heavily mitigated.
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09-24-2016, 01:41 PM
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#110
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Quote:
Originally Posted by activeStick
I don't see the World Cup growing interest in the NHL so not sure why owners will take that risk.
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It doesn't really matter.
The World Cup is more games played without extra salaries paid. It's really not much different than making the season longer from the owners point of view.
If the tournament starts gaining prestige, it could turn into a notable moneymaker on it's own.
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09-24-2016, 02:38 PM
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#111
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One of the Nine
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Originally Posted by pepper24
I don't get Flames fans that are glad most of the Flames players are now eliminated from the tourney, hoping that Gaudreau doesn't advance and thankful that Gio/Brodie/Hamilton didn't make their teams.
It sucks about Backlund but that can happen in preseason or regular season with Flames as well. Hopefully it's short term and he's back soon.
I want as many Flames as possible at these tournaments. Play with the best players and learn how to win like with best players.
Bring that swagger and learning experience back to the Flames. Winning teams like LA and Chicago are always stacked at Olympics and now World Cup. Flames to become a legit contender need the same.
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09-24-2016, 02:57 PM
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#112
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Djibouti
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Quote:
Originally Posted by activeStick
So do the owners of the Panthers look at the Ekblad injury and start to reconsider their stance and support for the tournament?
1st overall defencemen of Ekblads pedigree are extremely rare. I'm not sure what his status is but if he (or someone of similar pedigree) has their potential career cut short, I know that if I were an owner I'd be 100% against sending my players to such a tournament.
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Tavares was seriously injured in the last Olympics, and that didn't stop this tournament from taking place, or Tavares participating without protest from the Islanders.
These types of best-on-best tournaments are great exposure and good for the NHL & NHLPA's coffers. They'll continue so long as the fans have an appetite for them, and there's no sign that's waning yet.
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09-24-2016, 04:57 PM
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#113
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Location: Flame Country
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Originally Posted by Locke
Again, sort of pursuant to my prior post, if Ekblad is out then hes being paid more or less by insurance and if the Panthers suck without him they're eligible for more profit-sharing payments.
It wont say it 'evens out' because I dont think thats accurate, but the overall risk is heavily mitigated.
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When I said the cost of doing business, I didn't mean the actual cost.
I'm referring to them being without one of their star players for at least part of the regular season. Obviously the owners aren't happy that their team is now going to have to fight hard to do well without their number 1 d-man.
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09-26-2016, 11:36 AM
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#114
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First Line Centre
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Ticket and jersey revenue alone will make this financially worth it for the league. I wonder what television ratings will be, particularly in the states and of course Canada
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09-28-2016, 11:59 AM
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#115
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Skating today:
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09-28-2016, 12:01 PM
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#116
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Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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"Backland"? Goddam it Leslie.
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09-28-2016, 01:23 PM
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#117
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Nice to see him back
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09-28-2016, 01:24 PM
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#118
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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09-28-2016, 01:25 PM
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#119
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That's the most Backlund photo ever "I'm okay friends!"
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