[News] Retro jerseys are officially third jersey again

[browna]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The Alberta flag patch breaks one of the fundamental rules of design: You never put two bright solid colours next to each other; you put in a relatively neutral colour to modulate between them. (Yellow counts as neutral for this purpose.) This rule has been well understood since the Middle Ages, when it was one of the laws of heraldry. To this day, if you look at national flags, very few of them have colour next to colour. Most of those that do are among the ugliest flags around.

On sports uniforms, if you put red and blue on the same design, it's customary to separate them with a white stripe (yellow is acceptable but rare). The bright blue of the Alberta flag against a field of red is, to put it bluntly, an eyesore. Believe it or not, that combination is physiologically fatiguing to the eye. (I won't go into the reasons in this post; I don't want to write an encyclopaedia.)

So if the Flames want to have the Alberta flag patch on their red uniforms, they really ought to put a bit of white piping around the flag to separate the blue from the red. What I think would work much better is to get rid of the blue field altogether, and just use the shield from the centre of the flag, with a thin white border around it. You could make the shield larger than the one on the flag patch, so that the overall area of the patch would remain about the same.


Easier on the eyes, easier to make out the elements of the shield, and in my opinion, much better looking altogether.

Whether I heard about it here or from some other tidbit from KK back when these got introduced, but the Flames indeed wanted just to use the "coat of arms" from the Provincial flag and not the whole thing, but the official governmental flag rules didn't allow using just a portion of the flag.

Not sure what the plan was for the Canadian flag, and if they just wanted to use the maple leaf, and not the whole flag, though you assume the same rules would apply.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by browna

Whether I heard about it here or from some other tidbit from KK back when these got introduced, but the Flames indeed wanted just to use the "coat of arms" from the Provincial flag and not the whole thing, but the official governmental flag rules didn't allow using just a portion of the flag.

Technically, no one is allowed to use the provincial flag for commercial purposes without special permission. Since these are regulations rather than legislation, I believe the provincial cabinet would have the power to waive the regulations by Order in Council, and give permission to use a portion of the flag.

[Dogbert]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Flames go with something similar to the new jerseys the Hitmen debuted this season, only with their own colour scheme. They already used the Hitmen to preview a Flames rebrand in the late '90s, and given how much the striping and name-and-number fonts on the new Hitmen jerseys resemble the Flames' retros, I'd have to think that's what they're doing.

[Jay Random]

By the way: Goodbye, all. It's been fun discussing hockey with you, but it's time for me to go.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

By the way: Goodbye, all. It's been fun discussing hockey with you, but it's time for me to go.

Where are you going?

[nik-]

[CMPunk]

Originally Posted by nik-

[Dion]

nm

[jayswin]

Hopefully not suicide, but that's kind of the first sense I get with a post like that.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

By the way: Goodbye, all. It's been fun discussing hockey with you, but it's time for me to go.

What?

[Magnum PEI]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The Alberta flag patch breaks one of the fundamental rules of design: You never put two bright solid colours next to each other; you put in a relatively neutral colour to modulate between them. (Yellow counts as neutral for this purpose.) This rule has been well understood since the Middle Ages, when it was one of the laws of heraldry. To this day, if you look at national flags, very few of them have colour next to colour. Most of those that do are among the ugliest flags around.

On sports uniforms, if you put red and blue on the same design, it's customary to separate them with a white stripe (yellow is acceptable but rare). The bright blue of the Alberta flag against a field of red is, to put it bluntly, an eyesore. Believe it or not, that combination is physiologically fatiguing to the eye. (I won't go into the reasons in this post; I don't want to write an encyclopaedia.)

So if the Flames want to have the Alberta flag patch on their red uniforms, they really ought to put a bit of white piping around the flag to separate the blue from the red. What I think would work much better is to get rid of the blue field altogether, and just use the shield from the centre of the flag, with a thin white border around it. You could make the shield larger than the one on the flag patch, so that the overall area of the patch would remain about the same.

What we have now:



What I suggest:



Easier on the eyes, easier to make out the elements of the shield, and in my opinion, much better looking altogether.

I would go one step further and remove the useless rag at the top.

[jayswin]

Sure, but then it's not a flag or coat of arms, so then why have it at all? Might as well have gone with a standard created shoulder patch instead.

[fanman]

Happy to hear the retros are coming back, even if only as 3rds.
This will definitely be my next jersey purchase. Great uniforms and a step in the right direction IMHO.

[Magnum PEI]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Sure, but then it's not a flag or coat of arms, so then why have it at all? Might as well have gone with a standard created shoulder patch instead.

Well I was mostly joking, but I do like the simpler version of the shield. The whole idea of putting a flag or coat of arms is just dumb. I think they were trying to copy Chicago a bit with its colourful logo and patches, but it doesnt work with the flames because of the yellow trim on the jerseys.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

I would go one step further and remove the useless rag at the top.

it's pretty clear the shoulder patch from the 3rds was based on that, so let's just use it

[timun]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

I would go one step further and remove the useless rag at the top.

Defacing the coat of arms is not gonna fly.

[Young_Guns]

Are shoulder patches even necessary? Remember the good ol' days without? Simple jersey designs are better, minus RBK atrocious piping. I would go back to the 80's look, no patches and all, with a correct scale of the front flaming C.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Hopefully not suicide, but that's kind of the first sense I get with a post like that.

Nah. I just got tired of reading endless threads by ignorant, foolish, and argumentative posters, and it shames me to realize that I have become one of those. I'm probably one of the ten worst regular posters on CP, and enough is enough.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Nah. I just got tired of reading endless threads by ignorant, foolish, and argumentative posters, and it shames me to realize that I have become one of those. I'm probably one of the ten worst regular posters on CP, and enough is enough.

I think you're a decent poster. Stick around. If you choose to leave, all the best to you!

[Magnum PEI]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

it's pretty clear the shoulder patch from the 3rds was based on that, so let's just use it

Ill probably be alone on this, but I dont really like that logo. Take away the red banner and its a Bruins AHL affiliate logo. It doesnt suit the flames IMO. And the grain at the bottom looks like a fallow stubble field instead of the fertile stalks on the provincial shield. I prefer the horse head patches actually.