Rory Mulholland
14 AUGUST 2016 • 5:24 PM
Riot police were summoned and a man was injured by a harpoon when a mass brawl broke out on a beach in Corsica, apparently triggered by a tourist taking a photo of women in “burkinis”.
The incident came after the mayor of Cannes banned women from wearing the full-body, head-covering swimsuits on beaches of his Riviera town.
The riot in Corsica took place on Saturday in a cove near the village of Sisco in the north of the French Mediterranean island.
“It happened because a tourist was taking photos,” said Ange-Pierre Vivoni, the local mayor, on TF1 television. “And the Maghrebins (North Africans) didn’t want to have their photos taken. It was quite a trivial matter to begin with.”
Things got out of hand when young men of North African origin harangued the tourist who took the pictures, prompting local youngsters to intervene in defence of the visitor.
Police are still trying to establish how the incident turned into a riot, but local media said that a group of older North African men soon arrived, some armed with hatchets and harpoons, and took on the young Corsicans.
The unrest lasted for several hours, during which three cars were burned and four people had to be taken to hospital, one of them for a wound caused by a harpoon. A pregnant woman was among those hospitalised. Bernard Cazeneuve, the interior minister, was forced to issue a statement calling for calm.
Tensions were still high on Sunday, when a crowd of around 500 gathered in the nearby town of Bastia and tried to enter a housing estate with a high immigrant population. They chanted: “To arms, this is our place and we will go where we want.”
The western way of life is under attack. Immigration has happened so quickly and in such large amounts as compared to the past. These immigrants Dont want multiculturalism. They want only their culture.
Western life may already be on a path that cant be fully salvaged.
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The western way of life is under attack. Immigration has happened so quickly and in such large amounts as compared to the past. These immigrants Dont want multiculturalism. They want only their culture.
That basically sounds like a gang fight. "They only want our culture"? It sounds more like kids escalating some perceived slight where them damn Euros were taking pictures of our 'wimmin.
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The western way of life is under attack. Immigration has happened so quickly and in such large amounts as compared to the past. These immigrants Dont want multiculturalism. They want only their culture.
Western life may already be on a path that cant be fully salvaged.
This is seriously hilarious. Are you this big a bed wetter in real life? Our culture and way of life isn't under serious attack. We have conquered every other society and culture, taking what's good and discarding the rest. I guess when you live in an anti-muslim echo chamber white life would seem under siege. These people aren't a serious threat to our security or way of life. Stop empowering backward cultists who have no real power over you with hyperbolic fear mongering.
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The western way of life is under attack. Immigration has happened so quickly and in such large amounts as compared to the past. These immigrants Dont want multiculturalism. They want only their culture.
Western life may already be on a path that cant be fully salvaged.
Someone choosing to wear a less revealing bathing suit is not attacking your way of life. I get banning full face covers, particularly in situations where you need to ID someone (for example when taking an oath, getting a driver's license, etc..).
However, banning a "Burkina" is absurd. How did the government of Cannes ever get away with something like that? Women have to reveal themselves at the beach now?
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The western way of life is under attack. Immigration has happened so quickly and in such large amounts as compared to the past. These immigrants Dont want multiculturalism. They want only their culture.
Western life may already be on a path that cant be fully salvaged.
Can you describe the year in which "the western way of life" was how you want it?
So perhaps the Islam isn't the problem leftists are correct despite the underlying anti human rights views that the surveys reveal.
How do you stop youth from feeling disaffected? Many of the ISIS recruits from Western nations have been previously well adjusted kids from well off families.
Many of these feeling of "isolation" are coming from conflicts that are occurring thousands of miles away.
I'm not trying to be jerk, but what you're proposing is far more easily said than done. Youth will always feel disaffected, and it's a question of what their outlet is.
We also should not be pandering to or appeasing terrorist groups.
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Here is an interesting article on who IS is able to recruit. Most are not devout Muslims. They are disaffected youth brainwashed into joining.
I've heard it described as the Islamicization of radicals. Embittered lost souls, mostly young men, looking for some kind of meaning - something powerful and inspiring - and finding a ready-made online domain of Islamic terrorism that preaches an enticing credo of taking back agency and showing the establishment how much damage one man can do.
Radical Islam is part of the problem. Religion is a tried-and-true vehicle for engaging the lonely and disaffected. But the rogue male phenomenon, and power of online media to stoke violence, are big parts too.
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If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
Can you describe the year in which "the western way of life" was how you want it?
What will it take for you to admit change is happening? Sharia law across western nations? Or something more minor such as separate swimming pools for men and women?
To me ISIS recruiting is fairly brilliant because they aren't being particular in their behavior.
ISIS is basically giving out a get out of jail free card for the worst and angriest and stupidest in society
Can't get a job, come on over, we'll pay you
Want to kill people, come over we'll give you a gun and point you in a direction, and God will totally be on your side
Like having sex with little kids, pissed off that its "illegal" in your Western corrupt society. Come on over, its ok to be a child rapist here.
Can't get laid even if you were in a whore house with a million dollars in your pocket? Come on over we'll give you a wife after we beat and torture her to the point of subservience, Oh and when you get bored of her, its ok to kill her we'll give you another wife.
Want to serve a higher purpose and be a hero? Come on over and join our suicide specialists, you'll be a hero forever.
Can't travel, don't want to leave the comforts of Western society? That's ok, do our work from home, attain the perfect worklife balance by being an internet recruiter. Or pick up a rock or gun or bomb and kill some non believers.
I firmly believe that ISIS is a anarchists group that disguises itself in religious reasoning. But I have my doubt that its leaders, especially the ones that came from Hussien's upper echelon give two craps about Islam or its goal. Its about two things. Power and Money sorry three things if you want to add sex into the mix.
The whole, we want to bring on the apocalypse and fight the West here. That's just a recruiting poster for the true fanatical fundamentalists believers on the other side of the ledger that believe that Muslims need to fight and kill the west and stop their influence in the middle east.
This whole death cult thing could have been built with any number of different religions. How hard would it be for this to work for radical christians, because you can still recruit the mentally damaged to your cause int he same way. The bible says its ok to f children and murder in the name of god so come on over.
The real challenge would have been to start ISIS based on the religion of Thulsa Doom or whatever his name was from Conana the Barbarian. But at the end I firmly believe that it could be done.
Its just easier for ISIS to use the Islamic slant to recuit their key core guys because those crazies were already out there in numbers in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iraq.
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How do you stop youth from feeling disaffected? Many of the ISIS recruits from Western nations have been previously well adjusted kids from well off families.
Many of these feeling of "isolation" are coming from conflicts that are occurring thousands of miles away.
I'm not trying to be jerk, but what you're proposing is far more easily said than done. Youth will always feel disaffected, and it's a question of what their outlet is.
We also should not be pandering to or appeasing terrorist groups.
To stop domestic terrorism I think you need to look at laws being passed to exclude people. Look at the bathing suit law above, its targeted legislation to make people feel less welcome. Combine this with the general racism faced by new immigrants and you create a scenario where recruiters can easily recruit.
Its not pandering to terrorist organizations to not be bigots or pass bigoted laws.
What will it take for you to admit change is happening? Sharia law across western nations? Or something more minor such as separate swimming pools for men and women?
When I can't get a chicken ticki or decent sushi, when my kids can't play Pokemon go, then I'll admit my western way of life is threatened. Meantime I'm off to the Yohan center to get some noodles.
To stop domestic terrorism I think you need to look at laws being passed to exclude people. Look at the bathing suit law above, its targeted legislation to make people feel less welcome. Combine this with the general racism faced by new immigrants and you create a scenario where recruiters can easily recruit.
Its not pandering to terrorist organizations to not be bigots or pass bigoted laws.
I agree 100% on the bathing suit law. That has no basis in a free society and is just a mechanism for the authorities to target people from certain religions/backgrounds. It adds to the problem more than helps it.
That being said, many of the people joining terrorist groups have not been isolated loners. They've been otherwise normal young adults. Kids in engineering programs, with girlfriends, groups of friends, etc..The problem with young adults is that they're often angsty. ISIS provides an outlet for that. Instead of going to punk rock shows, they're travelling to Syria.
I see a difference between:
1) Sinking to their level and spurring on a conflict, such as this burkina ban fiasco; and
2) Standing your ground and compromising your own freedoms.
Basically, my point is that you will never be able to kill the ideas pushing terrorism. It's not just a matter of isolation. You also have to take into account that many groups of people are choosing to be isolated themselves. You need a multipronged approach that seeks to make people feel included but also comes down on those that are pushing against that. Basically, you can't just say, appeasement is the answer or that war is the answer. The answer involves a pragmatic approach that deals with a multitude of situations.
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To stop domestic terrorism I think you need to look at laws being passed to exclude people. Look at the bathing suit law above, its targeted legislation to make people feel less welcome.
But many already feel alienated because they're living in a society whose values are abhorrent to them. If you think women getting drunk in public is despicable, how much can a Western country really do to accommodate your values?
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Combine this with the general racism faced by new immigrants and you create a scenario where recruiters can easily recruit.
Why aren't immigrants from China, Mexico, or Trinidad, who no doubt face racism, drawn to violent terrorist organisations? Many Chinese in Vancouver are furious about the new real estate laws. How many do you think will end up killing random people?
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Its not pandering to terrorist organizations to not be bigots or pass bigoted laws.
This is one law in one city.
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If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
But many already feel alienated because they're living in a society whose values are abhorrent to them. If you think women getting drunk in public is despicable, how much can a Western country really do to accommodate your values?
Why aren't immigrants from China, Mexico, or Trinidad, who no doubt face racism, drawn to violent terrorist organisations? Many Chinese in Vancouver are furious about the new real estate laws. How many do you think will end up killing random people?
This is one law in one city.
But based on the article I posted 70% have little knowledge of the Koran. So I think its a misnomer that they hate the society. That is the indoctrination part.
If you had a well funded group of people trying to radicalize them you would see people join up and see deaths. Its essentially similar to child luring, people do things that they would not have normally done.
As to one law in one city look at anti-burka legislation across a variety of areas. Or the Cultural Hotline proposed by the Conservatives. It isn't just one city.
Why aren't immigrants from China, Mexico, or Trinidad, who no doubt face racism, drawn to violent terrorist organisations? Many Chinese in Vancouver are furious about the new real estate laws. How many do you think will end up killing random people?
Sincere question: how different is it from when white, Chinese, Mexican, or Trinidadian teens join violent organized criminal organizations? Are similar dynamics at play? Are the consequences less severe?
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