Suicide Squad **Spoilers**

[manwiches]

Overall, not the worse movie I've seen. It was on par with BvS to me. I don't understand how DC movies this year can't seem to make a movie that flows well. I was overall entertained though. Margot Robbie killed it as Harley, which made the whole movie for me.

Also, maybe I'm just of the minority, but I really didn't like Leto's Joker. I can appreciate they tried to make him more like the comics Joker (a la Killing Joke and Death in the Family), but something about it seemed too forced. He seemed to try to channel his inner Mark Hammill too much. Everytime he opened his mouth I groaned.

Ima let you finish... But Heath Ledger was the best Joker of all time!

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

I liked it. To be fair, I am quite fond of the source material. I'd likely give this one a 2.5/5. It's no Oscar winner, to be sure, but I enjoyed it well enough. I liked Harley and Deadshot. I felt that Batman was in it enough, and that Joker was in it too much (should have had about as much screen time as Batman).

I think batman was in it for about 30s. Joker for 10 mins tops.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by manwiches

Ima let you finish... But Heath Ledger was the best Joker of all time!

I'm going to disagree here. Nicholson was the best Joker and it's not even close if we are talking about the character portrayed in the comics. Ledger IMO was the best movie villain in a superhero movie to date because he made the character his own but I don't consider that character overly faithful to the source material.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I think batman was in it for about 30s. Joker for 10 mins tops.

Exactly.

[photon]

Originally Posted by manwiches

Margot Robbie killed it as Harley, which made the whole movie for me.

Good enough to see it in theaters? I've been waffling between seeing it in the theater and just waiting but the main reason I want to see it now is Harley.

[CMPunk]

Overall I enjoyed it. Harley did steal the show, but I was a fan of most of the characters, just wish the supporting cast had more screen time.

The negatives for me were the Joker and Flag. The casting was way off for me. Flag didn't come across as a real leader to me, I think they needed someone withe a bigger presence.

Joker did not come across as menacing or crazy to me, just a guy with bad tattoos and worse dental work.Leto was a horrible choice and I dread a movie where he gets more screen time.

[8sPOT]

I thought it was pretty good. Harley Quinn was great, Deadshot was pretty awesome. I think all the characters were pretty good actually. I honestly wanted more joker. Not anywhere near as bad as the critics are saying. Look at what the movie is about and judge it from there. It's supposed to be exactly what it is. No complaints from me.

[wontondestruction]

I heard the Leto's performance was so bad, that they decided to cut a lot of his scenes, so they could preserve him for another film.

[SportsJunky]

Just got back and overall I liked it. Margot Robbie was so good as Harley Quinn. Deadshot was done well by Will Smith. I agree that Joker and Flagg were the week links. Even Amanda Waller was better than those two. I didn't love the Batman scenes. I'm not sure they were necessary. I'm glad we saw it in the theater. The bad reviews almost kept me from going.. I'm glad I went.

Almost forgot, the villainess sucked.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm going to disagree here. Nicholson was the best Joker and it's not even close if we are talking about the character portrayed in the comics. Ledger IMO was the best movie villain in a superhero movie to date because he made the character his own but I don't consider that character overly faithful to the source material.

What source material are you referring to? The joker has been around for 70 years. There have been many portrayals of him in the comics. Adam West it could be argued is the most faithful Batman of all time if we are comparing him to the comics of that time.

Nicholson, Ledger and Leto are all faithful big screen adaptations. They each drew inspiration from different aspects of the character based on the story and world they were in.

[Northendzone]

I just came back from seeing the movie and I would say it is ok, started slow, but ended a little better. The only thing I did not really understand was the chick with the sword and how exactly she fit in.

Went to see the movie at shawnessy and the first 5 minutes were fuzzy with or without the googles ( the googles did nothing) and then the screen went blank for a little more than a minute. My son had to go to the washroom on the way out, so I went to complain and they gave me a refund, plus two general admission tickets for next time, and I did not even have to complain that hard.

[Strange Brew]

Just saw it and quite enjoyed it. But the Joker was disappointing. Leto's performance might have been way overhyped going in. His performance was loud and eccentric but could t really tell what he was going for. The Joker did not come across as menacing enough.

The movie really needed to say something about his history with Batman. There was absolutely nothing.

[J Diddy]

Yikes what a terrible mess of a movie. It wasn't fun at all. Crappy characters, forced soundtrack, and budget cgi.

So what was the point of it? The only thing I can think of is to setup will smith's character to join the justice league and/or to setup the villains for the next batman movie.

I give it a 3 out of 10...easily worse than bvs.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Just saw it and quite enjoyed it. But the Joker was disappointing. Leto's performance might have been way overhyped going in. His performance was loud and eccentric but could t really tell what he was going for. The Joker did not come across as menacing enough.

The movie really needed to say something about his history with Batman. There was absolutely nothing.

Dunno about that. If there's something comic moves do too much is repeat origin stories. Everyone knows what the Joker is to Batman.

The solo movie is supposed to follow The Red Hood, which the Joker is a key part of. I would imagine most flushing out would happen there.

[CaptainCrunch]

You know, I've been thinking about it with the Jack Nicholson Joker and the Ledger Joker and the Comic Joker and even the Leto Joker and how distinctly different they are.

I mean frankly the Nicholson Joker had so much glee in what he was doing. He was what happens when you stab a psychopath in the back and then set him out on society. In that movie, the Joker was clearly out for revenge, but his personality was so unchecked that it easily spread to a sense of eager vengence against society as a whole. But the origin in the movie made sense because it took a vain killer and broke him and then rebuilt him as the Joker.

With Ledger's Joker he's so completely different, I almost think an origin story for him would ruin him. He's almost like a shark, the water looks calm on the surface, but he's always below it, spreading chaos and when he reveals himself its huge and it grand. But there's a grim purpose to it as well, which explains why he kept changing the stories about how he got his scares. If the truth ever came out about how he got his scars it would literally wreck the mask that the character is wearing. Because I firmly believe that in the end the Ledger Joker behind the mask and claiming that he was an anarchist and a fan of randomness was the most rational person in that movie.

Everything to him was an experiment in human behavior. planting the bombs on the boats. Putting Dent and Dawes in desperate locations, it was almost like he was a sociologist gone mad.

I always thought that while the Nicholson Joker was driven mad and a street thug who probably started in crime at a very young age, that the Ledger Joker came from a well off well balanced family, went to college and took some kind of applied science course and was entirely normal. I then had the theory that he was exposed to the worst of humanity and he broke. Maybe he was a war veteran who saw how uncaring and crazed humanity was and when he got home, broken he wanted to prove to the world that humanity was inherently vile and bad. But he was also a brilliant strategist as well and he could predict how people would react and he used that, ad to that, that he's a human version of a shark, and the dark mirror to Batman's madness and Ledger's Joker is an amazing character, and everyone who wonders about his origins often knowing that we will never ever know, tends to create their own profile of him.

With the Leto Joker, I'm not sure at all. but the Tattoo's almost make me think that there's an element of a gang up bringing, but other then that there's almost a hope that the Joker really only appears when the Batman is active. He's the evil random response to Batman's desire for order and justice.

But I believe that unlike most other villains, we shouldn't want the true origins of the Joker. With the Penquin and the Riddler and the other main batman villains, giving an origin explains why they do the things they do. With Joker because his character is so rational in his irrationality that giving a justification for this behavior threatens to narrow and cage the Joker, instead of letting him be completely random in his planned existence.

[Coach]

CC's post made me think about the Joker as well, and the Dark Knight Returns. Something that I think kind of gets overlooked is that version. And maybe the reason we haven't seen it yet is because it is so very R-Rated. But to me his whole storyline in the book had some of the most tension-filled moments I've ever had while reading, or being entertained in general. The Joker coming out of prison, his therapist vouching for him, everyone's intrigue and his infamy giving him a celebrity-like appeal. Just didn't know if he was going to mas murder the entire room, or if he would play it even-keel, to actually try and show improvement in his mental health. And even then, you wouldn't know if it was for a larger plot, or genuine.

It really is the beautiful thing about the Joker. So much so a "wild card" that the tension is always there.

I think that's what Ledger captured perfectly. And I think that is why Zimmer's music for the Joker is so spot-on.

Totally agree about the origin. I think one of the main reason's Ledger's Joker ends up being considered better is not only the ambiguous origin on his part, but the super lame origins of the Nicholson Joker. The-dumped-in-acid-so-now-I-look-like-a-clown thing is pretty thin, even for comic books. It always bugged me to be honest. Much prefer the idea that, as you said, he just kind of appears when Batman does. He basically exists to troll Batman.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

The only thing I did not really understand was the chick with the sword and how exactly she fit in.

Her name was Katana. How she fits into the Suicide Squad mythos in general...well, she doesn't. She's a straight up 'good guy', and often hangs around with the Birds of Prey. Why she was shoehorned into this movie, well...there are likely several P.C. reasons.

She was there to help Flag keep an eye on/keep the Squad in line, as she likely can out-fight almost any single one of them 1 on 1 or even 2 on 1.

One of my fave moments of the movie was Killer Croc in the bar.

[flambers]

Dang I went to the movie last night expecting it to be terrible based on the comments in this thread.

Personally I liked it.

[showtime]

Originally Posted by flambers

Dang I went to the movie last night expecting it to be terrible based on the comments in this thread.

Personally I liked it.

Thats about the same experience I had. Not as good as I hoped. Not as bad as i expected based on reviews. A 3/5.

[Erick Estrada]

Well the advertising campaign paid off as the movie broke records this weekend. In a way it kind of sucks that DC gets rewarded for not putting out great work but hype sells I guess.