Treliving: We would like to add a defenceman

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Parallex

We're about to be capped out as soon as we sign two of our young players to long-term big money 2nd contracts, we traded for goaltending then upgraded at back-up goaltending and signed a complementary winger to a fairly big dollar contract... we're in win-now mode.

Clearly they want to win this season, but they aren't at their peak/ideal roster yet until they clear some more contracts. Also win now implies making short term moves and forget about the future - e.g. Trading picks and prospects for vets. The Flames aren't there yet

[Caged Great]

I think the only guy on that list worth a try is Quincey and even then it would be just an okay addition and would require Wideman to be moved.

[Roof-Daddy]

Too bad they couldn't have gotten Hamhuis on the same contract he signed in Dallas and then moved out Wideman.

[Flash Walken]

I will be stunned if Wideman is dealt.

If treliving manages to move Wideman it will be incredible. If he canove him without retaining salary it will be a damned miracle.

Back loaded contract, thanks feaster.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Does Ricardodw ever have a point that makes any sort of sense?

Any thread that has been Hamilton'd by Ricardodw

Post #71 is a valid point. Bringing back Russell can potentially cause that.

Then post #73 just dumps on him without even reading it.

Hamilton plays a high risk game which I don't mind but it's not for everyone. He will make unreal plays and also make some big mistakes. There were still some mistakes after he turned the corner last year.

Not ignoring those mistakes and focusing on them is what Ricardo is doing, ignoring those mistakes and remembering the good plays is what the rest of the posting group is doing.

The truth lies somewhere in the middle. For Ricardo, if he didn't bring up Hamilton is many threads then point would be taken better. The anti-ricardo posters jump on him any chance they get, if you're not going to read his posts or if he bugs you that much then why respond to it? just ignore it.

As much he "Ricardos" a thread posters like yourself give him a big hand in doing it.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I will be stunned if Wideman is dealt.

If treliving manages to move Wideman it will be incredible. If he canove him without retaining salary it will be a damned miracle.

Back loaded contract, thanks feaster.

Back loaded contract AND a full NMC.

Awful

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Brad. Nakladal. Sign. Him.

Dump Wideman. Sign Nakladal. Sign, idk, Matt Carle? He was just bought out, though... sign someone, I don't care.

But sign Nakladal!

Well said.

[dino7c]

You never know when you will get a shot to win...if you wait you may be waiting forever

Do you think SJ expected a shot at the cup this season? Calgary in 04?

I'm not saying got crazy and trade away all your future assets but an NHL team should try to ice the best possible lineup. With the salary cap the difference between the top teams to the bottom is smaller than ever.

[Badgers Nose]

Kind of strange that another D is taking up BT's cycles (any of his cycles, even if it's not a lot).

Flames are over flowing with D prospects, would it not be better to wait until camp to see what they have?

They still don't have a 1RW (sorry Troy) and their two superstars signed.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Well in the interview Treliving talked about depth defencemen for Stockton. He also talked about moving some contracts.

So on the one hand you have a need to replace Johnson and Stevenson down on the farm.
On the other hand he may be exploring moves that are predicated on moving Wideman. I think moving Wideman out and acquiring a cheaper veteran would upgrade the roster.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You never know when you will get a shot to win...if you wait you may be waiting forever

Do you think SJ expected a shot at the cup this season? Calgary in 04?

I'm not saying got crazy and trade away all your future assets but an NHL team should try to ice the best possible lineup. With the salary cap the difference between the top teams to the bottom is smaller than ever.

For sure. I don't like when people say stuff like the "Flames won't even compete for another two years at the earliest, so why waste money on x or y"

Screw that, compete now. Don't go all in and mortgage the future, don't trade away prospects or picks for rentals at the deadline, but do still ice the most competitive roster you can.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

They'll need a defenseman under contract into 2017-2018 who meets the games played requirement for the expansion draft. That could be as easy as signing Kevin, but they might want another option too.

[FlameZilla]

How much would Seidenberg be after? He's always struck me as a rock-solid 2nd pairing guy.

...*before he blew out both knees in 2015. Could be Smid 2.0. Never mind.

[mivdo]

The two main problems with the flames last year was the goalie situation and defence. The goalie situation has been fixed and hopefully GGs system improves the defence considerably. We definitely have the staff for it. I believe Flames are a playoff team with those 2 things addressed.

If everything goes to plan I would like to see Wideman used sparingly, give him favourable matchups and time on the PP. Hopefully he racks up the points and is solid defensively against less offensively talented players. Profit.

Wishful thinking?

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by mivdo

The two main problems with the flames last year was the goalie situation and defence. The goalie situation has been fixed and hopefully GGs system improves the defence considerably. We definitely have the staff for it. I believe Flames are a playoff team with those 2 things addressed.

If everything goes to plan I would like to see Wideman used sparingly, give him favourable matchups and time on the PP. Hopefully he racks up the points and is solid defensively against less offensively talented players. Profit.

Wishful thinking?

If he's used as a bottom pairing Dman who bosses the PP with that killer shot I could see him having a resurgence. When he's relied upon heavily as a 2nd pairing guy he lets himself down in his own zone. If he's on pace to score 20 goals again I'm sure we could flip him to a contender for a solid return.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by mivdo

The two main problems with the flames last year was the goalie situation and defence. The goalie situation has been fixed and hopefully GGs system improves the defence considerably. We definitely have the staff for it. I believe Flames are a playoff team with those 2 things addressed.

If everything goes to plan I would like to see Wideman used sparingly, give him favourable matchups and time on the PP. Hopefully he racks up the points and is solid defensively against less offensively talented players. Profit.

Wishful thinking?

If you are going to use him sparingly, at that cap hit, then I think you have to trade him. The fact he will be used sparingly at that cap hit from a Flames standpoint, and for him going into a contract year and wanting exposure to max his UFA status, should motivate both parties (not that I think BT need's motivation to move him).

Assuming he will waive (maybe the holdup is that he doesn't care about his next contract and won't waive), no one in the league seems to want him at his cap hit so you'll need to add. That's pretty meh from my perspective. A buy out would be preferable (seeing as its not my money).

So I think it will be better to try him out at 4D, if he fits give him lots of opportunity to ramp his value, and see if he is open to a move at the deadline (esp. if you tell him you won't be bidding on his services when he goes UFA). Even if you lose him for nothing, you got your money's worth.

[Flash Walken]

I think Wideman needs a long leash to be successful, as I don't believe he thinks the game well based on watching him attempt to direct traffic on the ice

I don't think you can be a successful team while Wideman is on the roster, his on ice playstyle is too disruptive to the rest of the lineup in a league that is increasingly reliant upon systems play.

Besides his stupid salary, I think that is the most likely reason we haven't really heard his name crop up.

[Stay Golden]

Nakladal sign him. Problem solved.

Your 2 most key forwards Johnny and Monahan sign them already. Honestly that is all I care about the Flames GM accomplishing next. Guess the Flames do not like the reality of what the other teams signed their equivalent RFA's to mega deals that they earned.

[mivdo]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If you are going to use him sparingly, at that cap hit, then I think you have to trade him. The fact he will be used sparingly at that cap hit from a Flames standpoint, and for him going into a contract year and wanting exposure to max his UFA status, should motivate both parties (not that I think BT need's motivation to move him).

Assuming he will waive (maybe the holdup is that he doesn't care about his next contract and won't waive), no one in the league seems to want him at his cap hit so you'll need to add. That's pretty meh from my perspective. A buy out would be preferable (seeing as its not my money).

So I think it will be better to try him out at 4D, if he fits give him lots of opportunity to ramp his value, and see if he is open to a move at the deadline (esp. if you tell him you won't be bidding on his services when he goes UFA). Even if you lose him for nothing, you got your money's worth.

Ya he should definitely be traded. The problem right now, as others have mentioned, he is coming off a bad year. The best thing to do would be to maximize his value without hurting the Flames. Even if it means using him sparingly. He is an offensive dman who puts up points and that is where his value is. If you use him on the PP let him rack up the points, that is the best interest in both the team and Wideman.

Maybe he could be traded with salary retained? If he is putting up points, that may be a bit more enticing.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Nakladal sign him. Problem solved.

Your 2 most key forwards Johnny and Monahan sign them already. Honestly that is all I care about the Flames GM accomplishing next. Guess the Flames do not like the reality of what the other teams signed their equivalent RFA's to mega deals that they earned.

What?