06-27-2016, 01:03 PM
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#101
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Chaisson is probably going to be a Flames. Would be amazing if we could swap Raymond for him but likely will be someone like Shore or Jooris
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06-27-2016, 01:03 PM
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#102
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: F*** me. We're so f***ing good, you check the f***ing standings? Lets f***ing go! F***ing practice!
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I hope the Flames qualify Van Brabant. I think there is more there then people realize.
Wouldnt care if they dropped Shore, Poulin, F. Hamilton, Arnold, Agostino and Elson. Certainly don't keep F. Hamilton "to keep Dougie happy" as one poster put. If they feel he deserves to be qualified on his own merit then so be it.
I would qualify Jooris, Ortio and Wotherspoon. I guess Gaudreau and Monahan have also shown enough to be qualified as well.
I'd qualify Colborne to be put into a cannon and fired into the sun if he is trying to get more than 2.5 a year.
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06-27-2016, 01:05 PM
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#103
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Calgary
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I hope we resign Derek grant also .
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06-27-2016, 01:06 PM
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#104
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: St. George's, Grenada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
Chaisson is probably going to be a Flames. Would be amazing if we could swap Raymond for him but likely will be someone like Shore or Jooris
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Moving him for Raymond would be a dream, but someone like Jooris or Shore would be great too
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06-27-2016, 01:07 PM
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#105
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Scoring Winger
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Maybe we trade for someone on the Rangers? I believe they have RFAs like Hayes and Kreider?
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06-27-2016, 01:12 PM
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#106
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First Line Centre
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Being of the opinion that we should qualify Colborne is fair. Suggesting that not qualifying him is "stupid" isn't.
Burke has made it clear that they will not overpay for Colborne. The only way to maintain control over that is to not qualify him. The second you qualify him you are allowing him to go to arbitration and if the ruling is under 2.9 million the Flames are not able to walk away.
Not qualifying him does not mean losing him for nothing. It means you can now negotiate without the threat of arbitration and hopefully sign him to a contract you are comfortable with.
This comes down to how much the Flames value Colborne. If they think he is going to be awarded more then they are willing to pay their only option is to not qualify him. Which makes it a reasonable option.
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06-27-2016, 01:20 PM
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#107
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Franchise Player
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With all the money saved on a goalie that I bet Treliving wasn't counting on, the Flames can afford to overpay Colborne for one year if he gets a high-dollar arbitration award. He showed that he can be a contributing piece to the top 6 of any team in the league. 1 more year lets him prove if he's worth signing long term or not.
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06-27-2016, 01:22 PM
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#108
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kehatch
Being of the opinion that we should qualify Colborne is fair. Suggesting that not qualifying him is "stupid" isn't.
Burke has made it clear that they will not overpay for Colborne. The only way to maintain control over that is to not qualify him. The second you qualify him you are allowing him to go to arbitration and if the ruling is under 2.9 million the Flames are not able to walk away.
Not qualifying him does not mean losing him for nothing. It means you can now negotiate without the threat of arbitration and hopefully sign him to a contract you are comfortable with.
This comes down to how much the Flames value Colborne. If they think he is going to be awarded more then they are willing to pay their only option is to not qualify him. Which makes it a reasonable option.
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Not qualifying Colborne effectively does mean that the Flames would lose him for nothing because he WILL sign a contract as a UFA with another team in excess of $2.9 m. I think so long as he does not carry with him a cap hit for more than $3.0, that is a good deal that the Flames will likely make.
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06-27-2016, 01:23 PM
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#109
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kehatch
Being of the opinion that we should qualify Colborne is fair. Suggesting that not qualifying him is "stupid" isn't.
Burke has made it clear that they will not overpay for Colborne. The only way to maintain control over that is to not qualify him. The second you qualify him you are allowing him to go to arbitration and if the ruling is under 2.9 million the Flames are not able to walk away.
Not qualifying him does not mean losing him for nothing. It means you can now negotiate without the threat of arbitration and hopefully sign him to a contract you are comfortable with.
This comes down to how much the Flames value Colborne. If they think he is going to be awarded more then they are willing to pay their only option is to not qualify him. Which makes it a reasonable option.
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You have convinced me that this is a real possibility. Don't qualify him and sign him to a reasonable two year deal.
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06-27-2016, 01:27 PM
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#110
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: St. George's, Grenada
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It makes sense, but to me if I was Colborne and they didn't want to qualify for the sake of taking away arbitration rights, I'd just test free agency instead. Hard to say if anyone else would give him a better offer than the Flames, but I'm willing to bet someone would. Really counting on his desire to play for his hometown team at that point. Which sure, could happen, but it all seems fishy to me.
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06-27-2016, 01:28 PM
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#111
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Demaeon
I think the problem is that some people can't help but see Colborne as a slower, larger, quicker, smaller Colborne.
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LOL, this might be the best one yet.
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06-27-2016, 01:35 PM
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#112
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Rocky Mt House
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Jooris was underwelming last season.
That was his sophomore season. A lot of players struggle 2nd season. Something to consider
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06-27-2016, 02:02 PM
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#113
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Hmmmmmmm
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I don't think they qualify Colborne and lose him for nothing. And if they do lose him for nothing it won't matter because I'm sure Treliving gauged the market at the trade deadline and he knows what the market is/was. Call me stupid but if Treliving does that then it's obvious they weren't fooled by his late season points when all the pressure was off.
I really don't think management is in love with Colborne as much as the fans who defend him are.
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06-27-2016, 02:03 PM
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Bye Bye Jooris. Can't see him sticking around when Chiasson is now in the fold, and the Flames will likely want Poirier to step up and take a slot as well.
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06-27-2016, 02:10 PM
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#115
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Hmmmmmmm
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5pm Eastern time. Only 50 minutes to go.
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06-27-2016, 02:12 PM
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#116
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Franchise Player
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They won't qualify Jooris, but I'm sure he'll have a 1yr 800k or so offer on the table before July 1.
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06-27-2016, 02:15 PM
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#117
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Montreal
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yrebmi
Jooris was underwelming last season.
That was his sophomore season. A lot of players struggle 2nd season. Something to consider
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Also found himself in the doghouse of a coach that is now unemployed...
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06-27-2016, 02:30 PM
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#118
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: St. George's, Grenada
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If the Flames would bury/trade Bollig and buyout/trade Raymond, I'd like to give Jooris a 1yr deal just to see if that was a serious sophomore slump in a season where most of the team struggled. But really, the bottom 6 is still packed even then.
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06-27-2016, 02:37 PM
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#119
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Hmmmmmmm
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If they don't qualify Jooris I can see him signing with Vancouver for some reason.
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06-27-2016, 02:49 PM
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#120
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saillias
I think it's time to let Ortio go. We can't just keep every underwhelming Finnish goalie around because Kipper broke out at 28.
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Any of Chad Johnson, Montoya, Enroth, Hutton would be substantial upgrades over Joni Ortio.
The biggest knock on Elliott over his career is workload - with that being the case, it doesn't make sense to roll with a backup who might as well be the Finnish McElhinney.
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