[PGT] Flames beat Canucks 7-3

[Samiz]

Anyone have the stats on how many hatricks each team has this season? I recall the Flames getting a lot

[bob-loblaw]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Yes, they're tied with Florida for 8th. I give Calgary the tie breaker though because less of the Flames' goals were empty netters.

1) Stars / 262 / 25 EN
2) Caps / 243 / 14 EN
3) Penguins / 240 / 12 EN
4) Sharks / 236 / 18 EN
5) Bruins / 235 / 13 EN
6) Hawks / 230 / 17 EN
6) Rangers / 230 / 15 EN
8) Flames / 227 / 7 EN
8) Panthers / 227 / 14 EN

If you remove the EN goals, we're fifth.

1. Stars 237
2. Caps 231
3. Penguins 228
4. Bruins 222
5. Flames 220
6. Sharks 218
7. Rangers 215
8. Hawks 213
8. Panthers 213

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I think the lowest they got was 17th in the NHL, They're top 10 after tonight with that blowout.

Offense is not the problem with this team.

PK and goaltending are the main on ice issues.

And I say the problem(s) are 1 in the same. Goalie is the best pker and if goalie is better pk will be better.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Samiz

Anyone have the stats on how many hatricks each team has this season? I recall the Flames getting a lot

http://www.hockey-reference.com/leag...6_leaders.html

Manual count here, so forgive some typing errors and +/- 1 counting issues...got back from the game not too long ago:

Calgary - 6 (currently listed on that site as 5 - doesn't include Backlund yet)

Arizona - 5 (initially miscounted as 4 - see AC's list below)

Nashville - 4

Boston - 3
Chicago - 3
Columbus - 3
Dallas - 3
Minnesota - 3
Pittsburgh - 3
Vancouver - 3
Washington - 3

Anaheim - 2
Buffalo - 2
Carolina - 2
Edmonton - 2
LA - 2
New York Islanders - 2
New York Rangers - 2
San Jose - 2
Toronto - 2
Winnipeg - 2

Colorado - 1
Detroit - 1
Montreal - 1
Ottawa - 1
Philadelphia - 1
Tampa Bay - 1

And apparently Florida, New Jersey, and St. Louis have 0.

[AC]

I have the Coyotes with 5.

6... CGY: Gaudreau (2), Frolik (2), Bennett, Backlund

5... ARI: Boedker (2), Domi, Doan, Duclair

4... NSH: Forsberg (2), Neal, Weber

3... BOS: Eriksson, Hayes, Vatrano
3... CHI: P. Kane (2), Panarin
3... CBJ: Atkinson, Saad, Foligno
3... DAL: Seguin, Spezza, Eaves
3... MIN: Parise (3)
3... PIT: Crosby, Malkin, Hornqvist
3... VAN: D. Sedin, Hansen, Vrbata
3... WSH: Kuznetsov, Ovechkin, Williams

2... ANA: Perry, Silfverberg
2... BUF: Ristolainen, Reinhart
2... CAR: Skinner (2)
2... EDM: Eberle, Korpikoski
2... LAK: Kopitar, Toffoli
2... NYI: Okposo, Nelson
2... NYR: Zuccarello, Nash
2... SJS: Ward, Couture
2... TOR: Kadri, Bozak
2... WPG: Scheifele, Ehlers

1... COL: MacKinnon
1... DET: Abdelkader
1... MTL: Weise
1... OTT: Zibanejad
1... PHI: Schenn
1... TBL: Namestnikov

[GoJetsGo]

Hopefully the hockey Gods can shine down on us for not tanking. Just watching us, the shot count, the compete... everyone is playing with pride.

Then you look at Vancouver's effort tonight... it's disgusting. Between them and Edmonton, hoping they get pushed back as far in the draft as possible for being so tankishly terrible.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by AC

5... CGY: Gaudreau (2), Frolik (2), Bennett

6... . CGY: Gaudreau (2), Frolik (2), Bennett, Backlund

[AC]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

6... . CGY: Gaudreau (2), Frolik (2), Bennett, Backlund

Whoops, duh.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

6... . CGY: Gaudreau (2), Frolik (2), Bennett, Backlund

Well I'm also assuming Monahan gets one in Minney

[AC]

Also of note, the Flames allowed the following hattricks against:
Weise, Ristolainen, Zibanejad, Schenn, Parise.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

And I say the problem(s) are 1 in the same. Goalie is the best pker and if goalie is better pk will be better.

I don't agree completely. As bad as the goaltending has been this year, the PK has been just awful to watch. Ditto for the team defense at times. My issues this season, in order.

Goaltending.
PK.
Team defense.
PP.

If the goalies and special teams get sorted out this summer there's no way this team shouldn't at least challenge for a wild card spot next season.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I don't agree completely. As bad as the goaltending has been this year, the PK has been just awful to watch. Ditto for the team defense at times. My issues this season, in order.

Goaltending.
PK.
Team defense.
PP.

If the goalies and special teams get sorted out this summer there's no way this team shouldn't at least challenge for a wild card spot next season.

While goaltending was definitely lacking, you'd have to be simple to think 4 goalies having career lows at the same time is coincidence

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I don't agree completely. As bad as the goaltending has been this year, the PK has been just awful to watch. Ditto for the team defense at times. My issues this season, in order.

Goaltending.
PK.
Team defense.
PP.

If the goalies and special teams get sorted out this summer there's no way this team shouldn't at least challenge for a wild card spot next season.

You make a good point, but that said, even team defense is differently viewed if the goaltending is better. It's chicken and egg though. If goalies were better, defense would be better. If defense was better goalies would be better.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

While goaltending was definitely lacking, you'd have to be simple to think 4 goalies having career lows at the same time is coincidence

Hiller let in some really, really bad goals. Ramo as well at times. Ortio looked bad earlier this season. I definitely lay the blame more at the goalies than the defense/team defense.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

While goaltending was definitely lacking, you'd have to be simple to think 4 goalies having career lows at the same time is coincidence

Goaltending was overall terrible this year. Easily and obviously by far the biggest reason we missed the playoffs. You'd have to be simple or have not watched the games to think otherwise.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Goaltending was overall terrible this year. Easily and obviously by far the biggest reason we missed the playoffs. You'd have to be simple or have not watched the games to think otherwise.

I don't disagree with you. I'm only saying the team defence was also terrible. I'd even say goaltending was as much as 2/3rds of the problem

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by AC

Also of note, the Flames allowed the following hattricks against:
Weise, Ristolainen, Zibanejad, Schenn, Parise.

Does the Weise one have to count when it was against ECHL level goaltending that night?

[Erick Estrada]

I wonder how the Sedins are stomaching this. Not the greatest way to wind down your career on what is looking like the leading contender to be the worst team in the NHL next season. That team is just horrible and it looked at times 5 on 5 like the Flames were on extended powerplays in the Canucks end of the ice. Could have easily been a 10+ goal night if Miller doesn't make some really good saves in the first half of the game.

[Resolute 14]

Given how the Sedins played last night (same as everyone else), I think they are stomaching it just fine. They don't seem to care anymore either.

And the Canucks are a legitimately worse team than Edmonton or Toronto. Overachievement in the first third of the season is the only thing that prevented them from Buffaloing this season. And this is for a team that wasn't trying to tank.

[DJones]

I remember I used to dread playing the Sedins. Always seemed like they would cycle it for 20 minutes a game in our end and get 2 goals. Not last night!

Good environment as well last night, the wave was legit haha.

So what if we start playing Stajan as a RW?