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Old 03-16-2016, 12:55 PM   #101
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I like a more open expansion draft so that the new entrants can put together a team that has the potential to be competitive. The 2000 expansion was pretty limited for Minnesota and Columbus and both teams took many years to become competitive (realistically Columbus still isn't competitive after 15 years.)
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Old 03-16-2016, 12:56 PM   #102
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If you are picked from in the expansion draft, do you then get to pick?
Do you mean if someone from Calgary gets chosen does Calgary get to choose someone?
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Old 03-16-2016, 01:01 PM   #103
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Looking forward, the following players will be ineligible due them not entering the third year of their entry-level contract. They can not be selected and will not require protection:

Kenney Morrison
Morgan Klimchuk
Hunter Shinkaruk
Emile Poirier
Mason Macdonald
Rasmus Anderson
Olivier Kylington
Brett Pollock
Hunter Smith
Austin Carroll
Keegan Kanzig
Nick Schneider
Jon Gilles (will be finishing his second accrued season - sticktap to getbak)
Any 2016 Picks

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Bennett
(will technically be finishing his 3rd year, but will have essentially only played 2 seasons. I suspect the Flames will need to protect him.)

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Old 03-16-2016, 01:13 PM   #104
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Based on our present roster, I suspect we will protect the following:
Gaudreau
Monahan
Bennett
Backlund
Frolik
2016 UFA RW signing
One of Colborne/Ferland
Gio
Brodie
Hamilton
2016 UFA Goalie signing

This would see us exposing Ferland OR Colborne, Raymond, Stajan, Bouma, Jooris, Hathaway, Bollig, Agostino, Arnold, Shore, Van Brabant, Elson, Jokipakka, Engelland, Smid, Wideman, Nakladal, Wotherspoon, Seiloff, Grant, Kulak, Culkin, Poulin, Ortio.

The bolded names are essentially who we would face losing if the draft was held next summer...



Also, I suspect they will announce Las Vegas expansion draft for June 2017 and QC draft for June 2018...which will give us two years of stress!

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Old 03-16-2016, 01:14 PM   #105
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Another way around this is making a trade to the expansion team.
Calgary trades 2 round pick and a B prospect to the expansion team. Then the new team drafts a weak player from Calgary that we don't care about.

I think the Panthers did this, when they entered the league.
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Old 03-16-2016, 01:15 PM   #106
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Could we maybe join the expansion draft just for the goalie round?
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But the reason why QC and Seattle are not in this conversation now while Vegas is is precisely because one city has come forward with a significant demonstration of long-term viability where the others have not. One city already has a NHL building and by all reports a strong commitment of season ticket sales while the other two have not. Call me crazy, but I am much more confident in these tangible demonstrations than whatever I can imagine taking place for another market place.
To say that QC has not stepped forward is false. QC has a brand new arena, solid ownership and fan support is pretty much guaranteed. Everything else being equal they're a better expansion city then Vegas IMO. The trouble is the Canadian dollar is not equal and may disqualify them for now.
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Old 03-16-2016, 02:01 PM   #108
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This expansion team is gonna be awful. Are they gonna have to be full of bad contracts to make the salary floor?
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Old 03-16-2016, 02:07 PM   #109
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I hope this means Edmonton loses an Eberle or Nuge for nothing.

We'd lose a Colborne or Ferland, if we're talking about a 6th forward. No sweating over it.
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Old 03-16-2016, 02:15 PM   #110
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Does anyone expect the 'at least 25% of last years cap to be exposed' to be an issue?

like, MAYBE pittsburgh if they protect Crosby/Malkin/Kessel/Letang/Fleury are protecting a large chunk of the cap already...but I can't see it being that big a deal for most teams...
Chicago could be close.

Toews, Kane, Hossa, Anisimov, Teravainen, Kruger, Seabrook, Keith, Hjalmarsson, Crawford gets you to approx $57M and you still have another forward to protect.

(Assuming Panarin won't be eligible as a 2nd year North American pro - but don't know the rule there)

They could let Kruger go. Hossa could be another option but he has a NMC.
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Old 03-16-2016, 02:28 PM   #111
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where do the expansion teams fall in the regular draft??
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Old 03-16-2016, 02:30 PM   #112
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The CBA uses both the term "Professional Season" and "Accrued Season". They each have different definitions and impact a player's eligibility for things like free agency...

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I assume they're more likely to use the "Professional Season" definition in determining exemption from the expansion draft.


Under that definition, Gillies should be exempt next off-season. He did not play a single pro game under the first year of his ELC, so this season should count as his first pro season. Next year would be his second season, so he should be exempt.

Using the "Professional Season" definition, Bennett would not be exempt because his playoff games played last year put him over 11 pro games, so this is his second pro season, and next year will be his third.


By my count, Monahan, Poirier, and Bennett will be the only non-exempt draft picks from 2013 onward. Jankowski and Gillies (and DeBlouw, if they sign him) will be exempt from 2012, but Sieloff, Kulak, and Culkin will not. Any players still around from the 2011 and earlier drafts will not be exempt.
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Old 03-16-2016, 02:31 PM   #113
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where do the expansion teams fall in the regular draft??
1st (and 2nd, if there are 2)
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Old 03-16-2016, 02:36 PM   #114
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1st (and 2nd, if there are 2)
I don't think that's been spelled out yet. We don't know if they are involved in the lottery or not
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Old 03-16-2016, 02:42 PM   #115
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I wouldn't mind 1st and 2nd going to the new teams. If only to guarantee those from falling into the hands of our rivals or any of the usual suspects. I doubt we'll suck enough next season for it to be a direct concern to us.
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Old 03-16-2016, 02:50 PM   #116
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where do the expansion teams fall in the regular draft??
Every expansion has been slightly different...
  • 1991 was the Lindros draft, so the existing teams wanted to protect the first overall that year, so San Jose picked second in the first round, but first in all the other rounds.

  • In 1992, Ottawa and Tampa got the top two picks in each round, alternating in each round.

  • In 1993, Anaheim and Florida didn't get to pick until 4th and 5th each round.

  • In 1998, Nashville had the 2nd pick in each round (Florida won the lottery to pick first overall, bumping the Preds back to 3rd for the first round).

  • In 1999, Atlanta had the 2nd pick in each round.

  • In 2000, Minnesota and Columbus had the 2nd and 3rd picks in each round, alternating in each round (the Islanders won the lottery, bumping them back by one in the first round).


Based on that, I'd guess that any expansion team(s) will get the 2nd/3rd picks in each round after the first, with the top three spots in the first round being awarded in the lottery. The expansion teams will likely not be in the lottery, so they'd be bumped back three in the first round.
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Could we maybe join the expansion draft just for the goalie round?
I think one option would be for us to arrange a trade with an expansion team, where they take two 1B goalies and ship one to us right after.
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Old 03-16-2016, 02:59 PM   #118
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1st (and 2nd, if there are 2)
Unlikely, actually. The NHL almost never gave expansion teams the first overall pick.

In 2000, the Wild picked third (Gaborik) and the Blue Jackets fourth (Klesla). The Islanders went first (DiPietro) and Thrashers second (Heatley).

In 1999, the Thrashers were slotted second, but through a series of trades sent that pick to Vancouver (who took half of the Sedins) and acquired Tampa's first overall pick from the Canucks to pick Stefan.

In 1998, the Predators were slotted second and took Legwand. The Lightning took Lecavalier first overall.

In 1993, the Ducks were slotted fourth (Kariya) and the Panthers fifth (Niedermayer)

1992 was the only time in the modern era that an expansion team got the top pick. Tampa Bay took Roman Hamrlik. Followed by the Senators getting Yashin.

In 1991, the Sharks were placed second and took Pat Falloon. One wonders how history would have changed had the league given them top pick. Would Lindros have agreed to go to San Jose? If he had, the Sharks, Nordiques/Avs and Flyers would all have had dramatically different histories in the 1990s.
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Another thing to consider is teams might give up expansion teams picks not to select or to select particular players in the expansion draft.

Back in the 2000 draft:

Thrashers: Agreed to select Brett Clark in expansion draft from Canadiens in exchange for 2000 sixth round pick (#180-Darcy Hordichuk) on 2000-06-02
Blue Jackets

Blue Jackets: Traded future considerations (Blue Jackets agreed not to select Evgeny Nabokov in expansion draft) to Sharks for Jan Caloun, 2000 ninth round pick (#278-Martin Paroulek) on 2000-06-12

Blue Jackets: Traded future considerations (Blue Jackets agreed to select Geoff Sanderson & Dwayne Roloson in expansion draft) to Sabres for Jean-Luc Grand-Pierre, Matt Davidson, 2000 fifth round pick (#150-Tyler Kolarik), 2001 fifth round pick (#157-Andreas Jamtin) on 2000-06-23
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Old 03-16-2016, 03:10 PM   #120
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In 1991, the Sharks were placed second and took Pat Falloon. One wonders how history would have changed had the league given them top pick. Would Lindros have agreed to go to San Jose? If he had, the Sharks, Nordiques/Avs and Flyers would all have had dramatically different histories in the 1990s.
Pat Falloon...when Scott Niedermayer and Peter Forsberg were still available. Ouch.
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