[News] UPD: NHL reviewing whether Flames followed concussion protocol for Wideman

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Huh? How about "NHL concussion protocol is no good"?

Clearly, if teams are not following it, either the fines are ineffective or Gary Bettman needs to be suspended (kidding about that last part....sort of).

Seriously, if teams are playing with it then there needs to be someone independent doing the spotting. Take it out of the team and the trainers' hands. Likely will never happen because the teams won't stand for that.

Concussion suit looks a whole lot more healthy today that it did a few weeks ago, particularly after the NHL's suspension video on the hit.

I find it really hard to buy what Wideman is saying about his concussion. I'm like 90% objective and 10% subjective as a Flames fan. After looking at the footages from several angles, it's hard to argue against what the NHL has handed out for Wideman. If Wideman was woozie after the hit and he really couldn't see straight, I'm sure finding the bench would've been a lot tougher than how it was seen from any angle. Yet, surprisingly, he hits the ref, then finds the open door to the Flames bench, sits down without holding your head down, and he looked as though nothing has happened. Compare that with hits that Crosby got when he had his concussions. Now, if Wideman would've hit the ref and went down with him on the ice and then scrambled on his knees to get back on the bench, that would've been a totally valid story and I'm sure everyone would support Wideman's account 100%.

I'd support a player, especially a Flames player, if the ruling is totally unjustified, but I find Wdeman's accounts of the incident unaccountable. Therefore, it is no good.

[Hockeyguy15]

Not all concussions are the same.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Not all concussions are the same.

Exactly.

I've had one where my vision was blurry for a couple of hours, one where my field of vision was restricted to about 40% (no peripheral vision), two where I was unconscious for about 10-20 seconds, and one where I "just wasn't quite right" for the rest of the day. Those are all I can quickly remember.

Didn't play anymore, but drove home from hockey after the first one. Came out for about 5 minutes but then went back in and went out drinking after the rugby game in the second one.
Sure probably shouldn't have done so in either case, but we didn't really think of it at the time. This doesn't negate the incident, nor the effect.

Point being, an individual can be acting coherently, but not necessarily functioning properly or making valid decisions, or even register that they are making decisions that shouldn't be made.

Luckily in none of those cases did my symptoms last to the next day, but I would suggest that had I seen a physician, I would have been diagnosed with a concussion, especially noting the vision symptoms and being unconscious twice. So, the fact Wideman is practising on February 4 does not have any effect upon the possibility of him being concussed on January 27.

[northcrunk]

Pretty sad. Smith from detroit hits ref last night. Not a peep about it. Flamecism.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/g...row_id=1617477

Does he get 20 games too? I bet the players are pissed with the officials.

[shotinthebacklund]

This is identical. same "cross check" NHLPA come on down!

[Flamenspiel]

Yea, not even close, the ref was in the middle of the play right around the puck. The issue with the Wideman hit was there was no play in sight and he had plenty of room to go around. Again, the visual evidence is quite clear on this.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

Yea, not even close, the ref was in the middle of the play right around the puck. The issue with the Wideman hit was there was no play in sight and he had plenty of room to go around. Again, the visual evidence is quite clear on this.

Not really, there was an play was coming the other way as you see a Nashville player attacking a split second later. Still say it was an accident.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Exactly.

I've had one where my vision was blurry for a couple of hours, one where my field of vision was restricted to about 40% (no peripheral vision), two where I was unconscious for about 10-20 seconds, and one where I "just wasn't quite right" for the rest of the day. Those are all I can quickly remember.

Didn't play anymore, but drove home from hockey after the first one. Came out for about 5 minutes but then went back in and went out drinking after the rugby game in the second one.
Sure probably shouldn't have done so in either case, but we didn't really think of it at the time. This doesn't negate the incident, nor the effect.

Point being, an individual can be acting coherently, but not necessarily functioning properly or making valid decisions, or even register that they are making decisions that shouldn't be made.

Luckily in none of those cases did my symptoms last to the next day, but I would suggest that had I seen a physician, I would have been diagnosed with a concussion, especially noting the vision symptoms and being unconscious twice. So, the fact Wideman is practising on February 4 does not have any effect upon the possibility of him being concussed on January 27.

I found it odd and curious when Wideman quickly shifted just before he hit the lineman. Kind of like when a person jumps back when they spooked. I have had a concussion where everything was spinning, but when asked if I was okay, I said I was fine.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Pretty sad. Smith from detroit hits ref last night. Not a peep about it. Flamecism.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/g...row_id=1617477

Does he get 20 games too? I bet the players are pissed with the officials.

Lol did you even watch the video? Nothing like Wideman's incident. Literally no comparison. Things are getting silly.

[Locke]

I dont know.

I look at it from a PR optics point of view and I understand, there appears to be something foul in the state of Denmark.

But the alternative, while superficially unpalatable, doesnt make any sense either.

I find it difficult to believe that Wideman lost his mind and intentionally cross-checked a linesman for absolutely no reason while 100% in control.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

I found it odd and curious when Wideman quickly shifted just before he hit the lineman. Kind of like when a person jumps back when they spooked. I have had a concussion where everything was spinning, but when asked if I was okay, I said I was fine.

Totally fair.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

I found it odd and curious when Wideman quickly shifted just before he hit the lineman. Kind of like when a person jumps back when they spooked. I have had a concussion where everything was spinning, but when asked if I was okay, I said I was fine.

Yeah thats what I see too... feel bad for the guy. I don't think he was pissy or temper tantrum or anything, just got spooked and put his arms up to protect himself. My wife does that too when she walks into a light post (too many times).

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Pretty sad. Smith from detroit hits ref last night. Not a peep about it. Flamecism.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/g...row_id=1617477

Does he get 20 games too? I bet the players are pissed with the officials.

The first view was really obscure, but from a replay, you can clearly see the the Wings player was looking at the play coming out of the corner. His head is clearly turned that way and he accidentally ran into the ref. Basically, the play was coming fast around the boards and the ref was moving in the same direction of where the Wings player was heading while he was clearly looking at the play. Wideman's hit on the ref doesn't look like an accident at all. It was just frickin the wierdest purposefully accident as you can make it look.

[Poe969]

I just had an argument with a co-worker about this. I said wideman put his arms up not cross checked the ref because he was woozy and the ref skated into him. Wideman wasn't all there and his depth perception was likely off and because the ref didn't know he was there he just kept skating backwards. Wideman tried to move out of the way but put his arms up instinctively to protect himself. My co-worker said that was a crock of BS and that he only put his arms up to intentionally harm the ref.

I did a little experiment; I hid around the corner and got someone to call that co-worker into the room. As he walked into the room I walked in front of him and we collided. In the split seconds before we walked into each other, his hands came up to try and protect himself.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CSharp

The first view was really obscure, but from a replay, you can clearly see the the Wings player was looking at the play coming out of the corner. His head is clearly turned that way and he accidentally ran into the ref. Basically, the play was coming fast around the boards and the ref was moving in the same direction of where the Wings player was heading while he was clearly looking at the play. Wideman's hit on the ref doesn't look like an accident at all. It was just frickin the wierdest purposefully accident as you can make it look.

If someone drives through a red light and hits someone, the video from behind would look like they did it on purpose. But that would make no sense. It would make far more sense that they were somehow distracted or there was a malfunction. That's the problem many people have with this whole thing. Sure the video looks bad, but the motivation and timing don't make a lot of sense, especially given who the player was.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I just had an argument with a co-worker about this. I said wideman put his arms up not cross checked the ref because he was woozy and the ref skated into him. Wideman wasn't all there and his depth perception was likely off and because the ref didn't know he was there he just kept skating backwards. Wideman tried to move out of the way but put his arms up instinctively to protect himself. My co-worker said that was a crock of BS and that he only put his arms up to intentionally harm the ref.

I did a little experiment; I hid around the corner and got someone to call that co-worker into the room. As he walked into the room I walked in front of him and we collided. In the split seconds before we walked into each other, his hands came up to try and protect himself.

Thats an interesting experiment, I did a similar one but it was actually just me hitting a coworker in the back with a pipe.

Boy is he choked but what can I do, this is a work environment I dont have a hockey stick.

[Poe969]

Ok then do a variation of what I did. Call someone into the room and step in front of them with your back to them. If you can, have them cary something in their hands. Odds are their hands will come up and whatever is in their hands will hit you in the back.

It wasn't like Wideman got up from the dirty hit and made a B line for an ref who was just standing there. He skated pretty crappily towards the bench and the ref was skating backwards. I would agree if Wideman would have looked at the ref and skated right at him but he didn't.

I do still think Wideman deserves a suspension for all of this but the whole "intent to injure" argument is a joke. We all know that Wideman isn't the most physical guy, he has actually made some hits though. If he wanted to hurt the ref, I'm sure he could have done a much better job then that. And he wouldn't have tried to move out of the way while doing it.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Locke

Thats an interesting experiment, I did a similar one but it was actually just me hitting a coworker in the back with a pipe.

Boy is he choked but what can I do, this is a work environment I dont have a hockey stick.

His experiment showed how people react to situations, yours shows you are a dick. Not really comparable.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Locke

Thats an interesting experiment, I did a similar one but it was actually just me hitting a coworker in the back with a pipe.

Boy is he choked but what can I do, this is a work environment I dont have a hockey stick.

Originally Posted by belsarius

His experiment showed how people react to situations, yours shows you are a dick. Not really comparable.

Seriously? You didn't get that this was a joke?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by belsarius

His experiment showed how people react to situations, yours shows you are a dick. Not really comparable.

First of all, there seems to be a lot of confusion in regards to what is, and is not, comparable.

Furthermore, you are incorrect in determining that I am dick because I did not actually hit a coworker in the spine with a pipe because I'm self-employed and have no coworkers.

So I am not a dick, I am in fact a liar.

Except here. Because I'm telling the truth.

Now it isnt funny anymore. Well done.