Bad Goaltending vs Bad D

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

It's goaltending.

A good goalie actually leads to good offense. You play a lot different in front of your net minder if you believe in him. You wind up believing in yourself more too.

Poulin is not the answer. We are in deeeeep trouble and I hope we trade for Loungo at this point.

So the problem tonight was goaltending? On which of those goals did Ramo have a chance? Maybe the 3rd and thats a stretch. He held that game 1-1 till late in the third and it was an impossiible to stop one timer by Stammer. So now its Ramo's fault we only got one goal tonight?

For the most part (other then the first 10 minutes, Wideman and the late Gio penalty) the team played really well. Please dont make a desparate attempt to pin this loss (posted after tonights loss) on goaltending.

[Gaskal]

The problem tonight was 100% Dennis Wideman.

[heep223]

Ramo played well tonight.

[Caged Great]

Some times this season, the defense has been terrible. Some times the goaltenders have been.

The Flames lost tonight because of poor defensive coverage.

The Flames lost Tuesday because of poor goaltending.

It's both the defense and the goaltending that has been bad this year.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The problem tonight, from where I sat, was that the Lightning are really quite good at hockey...

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The problem tonight, from where I sat, was that the Lightning are really quite good at hockey...

Seriously, this. Both teams played well. Gio doesn't get called for that ticky tack and we're probably talking overtime.

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

So the problem tonight was goaltending? On which of those goals did Ramo have a chance? Maybe the 3rd and thats a stretch. He held that game 1-1 till late in the third and it was an impossiible to stop one timer by Stammer. So now its Ramo's fault we only got one goal tonight?

For the most part (other then the first 10 minutes, Wideman and the late Gio penalty) the team played really well. Please dont make a desparate attempt to pin this loss (posted after tonights loss) on goaltending.

Ramo didn't put up a quality start last night. He only has 3 times this season.

Originally Posted by http://www.hockeyabstract.com/testimonials/qualitystarts

An idea blatantly lifted from baseball, Quality Starts were one of Hockey Prospectus' first contributions back in 2009 as a measure of whether a goaltender "gave his team a chance to win". In order to record a Quality Start, the starting goalie must stop at least a league average number of shots (typically 91.3% prior to 2009-10, and 91.7% since), or play at least as well as a replacement-level goalie (88.5%) while allowing two goals or fewer.

In games where Ramo has put up a quality start, the Flames are 2-1, when he hasn't, 1-5. You can count on Ramo to provide league average goaltending once out of every 3 games. And that sucks.

Flames as an offensive unit could do from pulling more games out of the fire, but Karri has to stop getting lit up in the first place.