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adc · 10-25-2015, 09:58 PM

I really liked the Bennett-Grant-Jooris line. I was not a fan of Jooris at all the last half of last year or the first game this year but since sitting he has impressed me.

I think Hiller took a little too much blame from some for the goals, especially the 3rd one. The rebound he gave out was not good at all but the Flames had plenty of chances to clear and instead played it about as bad as you could. On the 4th goal not sure why Brassard is allowed to easily skate into the slot and get a quality shot off with seemingly no Flame even bothering him.

Glad to hear that Ortio will be playing tomorrow but I doubt he will be the savior and the scapegoats of Hamilton and Hiller seem to be masking some real concerns for the Flames in secondary scoring and overall defensively play of the team.

skcli · 10-25-2015, 09:58 PM

The team starts to play better, skate faster and hit harder. Agreed that Hiller does not help, and Hamilton is meh...but see improvement for other guys. I am still optimistic

Dion · 10-25-2015, 09:59 PM

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Hiller just isn't playing well but looks like we are stuck with him. Oh well, I hear Auston Matthews isn't bad at hockey.

Hiller is no different than he was last year. He can be lights out and then stink out the joint. Ramo was much the same also. Neither are the solution and we are left hoping that Ortio can step up and take the #1 position.

adc · 10-25-2015, 10:00 PM

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so this is the 3rd worst start in Flames history including Atlanta? Last year Trelivng wondering how we will score goals kept him up at night. Flames got the bounces last year and rode that mojo all season long. This year it does not appear much scoring outside of the top line. I assume once Brodie comes back we see a D for a forward trade

With the way that Smid has come back and looked better than ever I think you pretty much have to make a deal.

It is nice to have depth but sitting a guy making 2.9 or 3.5 (assuming it is Engelland or Smid) when the team is struggling offensively and has 3 guys who are close to NHL ready (Nakladal, Wotherspoon and Kulak) in the farm seems like a waste of resources.

fuffalo · 10-25-2015, 10:02 PM

Tonight was one of those losses we all could of handled if we were .500. Pretty good effort from most people, most of the night. I actually enjoyed myself tonight. Let's hope it pushes on!

calgaryblood · 10-25-2015, 10:07 PM

Thankfully Iginla isn't here or we'd be blaming him for the bad defence. This teams defensive coverage was pretty bad last year as well but we got timely goaltending and plenty of scoring. This team needs a more defensive system as last years top 5 offence might not repeat itself and the goaltending has taken a dip.

Sure Hiller wasn't great but he shouldn't have to face so many high quality chances. And Hamilton was one of the worst Flames on the ice once again, very disappointing. He's 22 not 17 he shouldn't be making the same mistakes over and over. He was making them in Boston as well. He needs to step it up because he pretty much was the reason the first goal went in.

Dion · 10-25-2015, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Thankfully Iginla isn't here or we'd be blaming him for the bad defence. This teams defensive coverage was pretty bad last year as well but we got timely goaltending and plenty of scoring. This team needs a more defensive system as last years top 5 offence might not repeat itself and the goaltending has taken a dip.

Sure Hiller wasn't great but he shouldn't have to face so many high quality chances. And Hamilton was one of the worst Flames on the ice once again, very disappointing. He's 22 not 17 he shouldn't be making the same mistakes over and over. He was making them in Boston as well. He needs to step it up because he pretty much was the reason the first goal went in.

I would give Hamilton some time before we bring out the knives. He's with a new team and is being asked to play a different style than what he played in Boston. He's pressing too hard and is lacking in confidence at this moment.

calgaryblood · 10-25-2015, 10:23 PM

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I would give Hamilton some time before we bring out the knives. He's with a new team and is being asked to play a different style than what he played in Boston. He's pressing too hard and is lacking in confidence at this moment.

I don't care what style you're playing, the way he played tonight would fail on every single team and system.

Gazza · 10-25-2015, 10:28 PM

Is Hamilton the new Bouwmeester in Calgary? Comes in with such potential but does not meet high expectations.

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saillias · 10-25-2015, 10:36 PM

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Is Hamilton the new Bouwmeester in Calgary? Comes in with such potential but does not meet high expectations.

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We could actually use what Jbo is right now to be a reliable 3.
JBo wasn't an utter disaster, was still solid defensively for us, just couldn't put up the points to justify his 6.6/year salary. Hamilton though is going to play himself into the press box. No really, I think when Brodie comes back you give him a game off to just see things from a different perspective.

ComixZone · 10-25-2015, 10:36 PM

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Is Hamilton the new Bouwmeester in Calgary? Comes in with such potential but does not meet high expectations.

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Yeah, if the fanbase wants to irrationally blame a broken system and inept offence on one defenceman again, I don't see why they can't.

Crumpy-Gunt · 10-25-2015, 10:45 PM

Great post^

budblazer · 10-25-2015, 10:56 PM

axe hartley

Wiggum_PI · 10-25-2015, 10:58 PM

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Yeah, if the fanbase wants to irrationally blame a broken system and inept offence on one defenceman again, I don't see why they can't.

Not sure blaming Hamilton is irrational, he always seems to be part of the worst D pair each game.

The Flames gave up 3 picks to get him because he's supposed to be proven and help the team right away. So far the only decent game he's played was against the Canucks, but other then that it's been really disappointing and frustrating to watch him play.

CSharp · 10-25-2015, 11:07 PM

We can blame all the goals scored on the lack of quality goaltending from the start of the year, but holy cripes, Dougie Hamilton is lost out there! The Flames D group is small, but with the way Hamilton plays the defensive zone, they've remained small even though the average size has gone up. And for all those times I've been complaining how soft Jbo was, now we have another big d-man playing exactly like that. Cripes, no wonder Boston gave him up that easily. Maybe he should've ended up in Edmonton. So far, the acquisition of Hamilton is a head scratcher. Maybe the Flames should've stayed on track with the rebuild and not traded away their first round pick to sign Hamilton.

N-E-B · 10-26-2015, 12:14 AM

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Disagree N-E-B...D-Zone Coverage was AWFUL by your guys, starting in the 2nd...Hiller wasn't great, but he shouldn't have to stop 3 or 4 shots per flurry...the Rags had too much room in between the circles, down to the crease.

Offensively, Raanta was tested in the first, but, not so much as the game progressed.

I would agree. I've had time to cool off and think a bit more.

Posting 10 seconds after a loss usually doesn't result in a rational and well thought-out post.

hockey.modern · 10-26-2015, 12:16 AM

What's with all the talk Boston giving up on Dougie? They tried to sign him a contract but Dougie didn't want to be in Boston.

Samonadreau · 10-26-2015, 12:19 AM

Just finished watching the game late.

3 things:
1. Where is the secondary scoring?!!!...... holy frack already.
2. Ive been a proponent of giving Dougie time to catch his stride but if hes not figuring it out, give him a game in the press box. Im sure Nakladal is chompin at the bit to.get in there.
3. You gotta get some more skilled guys to play with Bennett or slot him on the second line with Colborne and Frolik. I love Jooris and Grant was great tonight but I think he could get on a roll if he was playing with more skill.

Thats it for me. Go Ortio!!

AcGold · 10-26-2015, 12:31 AM

The lines need work, Hartley needs to devise a strategy for each line. Not every line can deke and dangle in like Gaudreau and Hudler, we need some dump it around behind the net from a speedier line and some cycling from the bigger boys. Hamilton has been subpar but the loss isn't on him.

Street Pharmacist · 10-26-2015, 12:43 AM

The comparisons to Bouwmeester are missing the biggest point.

Bouwmeester was the best defenseman on a terrible team and never made the playoffs. Hamilton played an important role on a great Bruins team. He got 7 points in 12 playoff games as a 20 year old for cripes sake.

The reason he sucks here is the completely opposite system from what he was used to. That is to say, for a defenseman there is no system here. The kid has no clue where he's supposed to be and that wasn't a problem in Boston