But yes, it does indicate that the team is on an upswing when a good serviceable player cant make the team.
I totally agree, so where are those 1 and 2 year small-dollar contracts? Those are a far cry from PTOs!
You're not taking PTos at 32 if there are offers on the table.
He probably is still holding out for something better but trying to have a backup plan as well. For all we know Sakic has promised him 1 year 3m if he has a good camp. Multi year is likely most important to him so I bet he's still hoping for that.
I think there's some rose coloured glasses going on here in regards to Glencross.
He was a legacy player on the team this year, a guy who got to play because he already had a contract. The team got better once he was gone.
He had a terrible showing in Washington that reinforced the same issues he was plagued with his entire NHL career: Consistency and effort. He had a few years with a wicked shooting percentage that allowed those issues to be covered up but with his shooting percentage dropping precipitously from 23% to 16% to 15% to 10% in his last 4 seasons with Calgary, it became more and more difficult to ignore some of the more glaring parts of his game.
He had a great start with Washington scoring 5 goals in his first 7 games with the club, but then went 19 games without scoring a goal, only contributing a single assist in that time, to the point of being a healthy scratch.
How do you go 19 games without a goal but still maintain a 19% shooting percentage? You take 4 shots total in the final 11 games of the regular season.
4 Shots in 11 games, that's brutal. Brandon Bollig had 11 shots in the final 11 games of the season for Calgary. Mason Raymond had more than 20 shots in the final 11 games of the season.
Glencross is probably a nice guy, affable, good in the community, but his worth as a professional hockey player in the NHL at this point is seriously in doubt.
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Oh Glencross you have a great personality away from the game.
But this is what happens when you go from scoreface to not scoring and moping with your body language about a diminished role on a team.
Glencross has to understand he did this to himself and if it is because he has lost a couple steps or whatever he has to acknowledge that and adjust his $ demands and embrace what will be his new his role for a team.
Oh Glencross you have a great personality away from the game.
But this is what happens when you go from scoreface to not scoring and moping with your body language about a diminished role on a team.
Glencross has to understand he did this to himself and if it is because he has lost a couple steps or whatever he has to acknowledge that and adjust his $ demands and embrace what will be his new his role for a team.
Posts like this make me laugh. You have no idea what is going on in Glencross' mind or what he needs to do. I'm sure he will handle himself just fine.
Lots of hate for a guy who was very underpaid for a long time for what he brought to this team. He was never an allstar, but he never made all star money. Glencross was awesome and I've got tons of fond memories of the guy, not sure why some people are getting a dose of schadenfreude from his recent struggles.
Hope he turns it around in Colorado. (AKA Calgary's retirement home apparently.)
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I feel for Glencross, went from looking for a decent 4m (IIRC) a year medium term retirement contract to desperately seeking a roster spot. I do hope he can earn a roster spot on his tryout but COL seems like a bad choice given their top 9 depth.
Either way, good luck. I honestly had no desire to see him with the Flames past the trade deadline but the climate changed in the NHL FA market so fast it's left more than a few good players hanging in the wind.
Has a player ever signed a partial season contract e.g. 20 games for x amount?
No such thing in the NHL. All players sign for the full season or the remainder of the season. Only exception is the one day contract for an emergency backup if the team can't get anyone that they have under contract to the rink in time for a game.
Lots of hate for a guy who was very underpaid for a long time for what he brought to this team. He was never an allstar, but he never made all star money. Glencross was awesome and I've got tons of fond memories of the guy, not sure why some people are getting a dose of schadenfreude from his recent struggles.
Hope he turns it around in Colorado. (AKA Calgary's retirement home apparently.)
I don't think it's hate that people are showing towards him, it's more just a response to those who think we should sign him or he deserves more or that he's still a top 6 player or have clouded judgement due to what he did in the past.
I agree that in the past he gave 110% every shift and was a buzz saw that would score and hit and do everything needed to win games. He was. WAS. In the past couple/few years though, he hasn't shown that he even deserves to be on the team. He wasn't great and for all the good that he did (on ice), you could argue that he did as much negatively. Plays seemed to die on his stick, he'd take bad penalties, show little to no effort and he almost had a sense of entitlement while talking about how he played above his contract in the past. He was an amazing person off the ice for the community and I'm sure some around here met him and have amazing memories of him off the ice but that doesn't really help the team win games.
You have to look at the NHL as a business that puts you in direct competition with 29 other teams all with the same goal in mind, winning. Glencross will not help this team win and the fact that he hasn't got a contract yet shows that a lot of other teams think the same. Sure, he could have 20 offers of 5 years at 4 mil per on the table but he's just holding out for a better deal or a deal from a different team. He could also have no contract offers and no interest from any team other than the avs. You could even argue that the only reason he has a tryout with the avs is because Iggy requested it. No one knows, all we know is that he has no contract right now.
He was great for us in the past, a few years ago. He was a fan favourite and did all kinds of things right and was on an amazing deal. If I could build a time machine and go back in time and give him a contract that was better for him, I would but let me ask you; since he was playing above his contract for a couple years, would it be better if he was getting paid 4-5 mil when he deserved it and then have a couple years of 4-5 mil when he didn't deserve it? Would you have been happy if this past season he was getting 5 mil? I know I wouldn't and I'm sure others feel the same way. The point is, he was a good player and he was on a great deal years ago and he helped the team back then but in the past couple of years how much did he really help the team? The team actually improved when he left last year and the caps really didn't improve at all with him in the lineup (he actually cost them a huge game in the playoffs).
I don't wish him any ill will and I don't hate the guy. I just think the harsh reality of it is that the game has passed him buy and that he's looking to cash in on what he did years ago and not focusing on what he's done recently. I'm sure before long he'll find work with a team but I hope in no way is it with the Flames. I don't think he'd help the team on the ice and from the attitude I've seen from him (regarding the game), I don't think he'd help the team as a coach of any sorts. He'd be a great community member and a fan ambassador but I don't think he'd help the Flames actually win games. I hope he gets a contract that's reasonable for one year and forces him to earn another contract because personally, I think that's the only way you'll get a constant effort from him. If he's forced to prove his worth every year, he could really help some (other) teams.
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Glencross was awesome for the Flames. We got him dirt cheap during Darryl Suttrrs best summer as a GM (traded for Cammy, got value for Tangs, traded for Bourque, signed Glencross, brought Gio back, signed Bertuzzi, drafted Brodie and Bouma)
Glencross was a solid player in those early years and then followed up with a nice contract where he put produced his cap hit for 3 of the 4 years. In the last year he worked with the team to find a trade partner and waived for s team that was not originally on his list. The Flames get a fantastic return and use those picks to help land Hamilton and Kylington. Glencross's impact on the Flames can only be looked at as positive. Hope he lands somewhere where he can extend his career another few years
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I think there's some rose coloured glasses going on here in regards to Glencross.
I don't think so. Yes some overrated his skills but IMO the problem with Glencross was more a Flames problem than a Glencross problem as once the team started rebuilding there was a couple of years where the offensive talent was low to the point he was now being counted on to perform as a top 6 forward. Anytime you start giving a 3rd line player 1st or 2nd line ice time his shortcomings are going to be exposed and that's what happened. He was exposed as a guy that given more ice time had issues maintaining effort and consistency. Unfortunately even last year when it was painfully apparent that he was bringing down Monahan it still took Hartley a few months to make the correction and play him with more skilled players in Hudler and Gaudreau. To this day I still don't understand why Glencross was getting top 6 ice time last year as the "earned not given" motto never seemed to apply to Glencross which again was not Glencross's fault. I agree the team got better after he was traded but I'm not going to kick him when he's down as he was a great sparkplug for this team early in his tenure as a Flame.
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I am also a little surprised at the negativity around Glencross here. He made some valuable contributions to the Flames but like a lot of mid tier NHL players he was inconsistent. At the trade deadline, there was enough interest in him that the Flames were able to get two solid draft picks in a very deep draft. That tells me he was coveted by several teams.
His play at the end of the season for the Capitals was awful and I don't know exactly why that is. It certainly is costing him a lot of money.
Lots of implied criticism of Hartley for giving Glencross the ice time he received. At the end of the day, the team was not much better or worse without him, which is probably true of a lot of 2nd/3rd line players.
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It's crazy how there were a lot of predictions of him seeing 5 million+ this off season and in an instant the guy can't even get a contract. Thank god we dealt him.
I don't think so. Yes some overrated his skills but IMO the problem with Glencross was more a Flames problem than a Glencross problem as once the team started rebuilding there was a couple of years where the offensive talent was low to the point he was now being counted on to perform as a top 6 forward. Anytime you start giving a 3rd line player 1st or 2nd line ice time his shortcomings are going to be exposed and that's what happened. He was exposed as a guy that given more ice time had issues maintaining effort and consistency. Unfortunately even last year when it was painfully apparent that he was bringing down Monahan it still took Hartley a few months to make the correction and play him with more skilled players in Hudler and Gaudreau. To this day I still don't understand why Glencross was getting top 6 ice time last year as the "earned not given" motto never seemed to apply to Glencross which again was not Glencross's fault. I agree the team got better after he was traded but I'm not going to kick him when he's down as he was a great sparkplug for this team early in his tenure as a Flame.
The team got better after losing Gio as well. Find some meaning in that.
Check out Monahan's top linemates before Gaudreau ... Glencross, David Jones, Hudler, Bouma and Colborne.
Ranked by hits these would be 4 out of 5 of the Flames most aggressive forwards... Bollig was the only "beef" guy missing.
I give a lot of credit to Hartley for not forcing Monahan to be responsible for the dirty work on his line as a youngster adapting to the league. Monahan is a talent player.... not a cruncher.
It will be interesting to see how Gaudreau-Monahan-Hudler plays out once other teams get to study the films and tendencies and force the play to the boards.
Hudler gets a lot of credit as a mentor for Monahan and Gaudreau... Glencross the assistant captain and linemate gets panned for slowing Monahan's development?????
It's crazy how there were a lot of predictions of him seeing 5 million+ this off season and in an instant the guy can't even get a contract. Thank god we dealt him.
I don't think there were any 5 million dollar predictions? Unless I just missed all of those lol
It's tough for him now it's common knowledge he has to wear a brace on each of his knees. Teams have health and longevity concerns, not to mention declining speed.
He was such an effective player at a sweetheart discount, but in today's game, which is all about speed, losing a step can throw your whole game off. And especially when you weren't very disciplined in terms of penalty taking when you were quicker. Tough to see, especially knowing he cost himself a chunk of money to stay and try and win with the Flames.
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