CBC reporter files complaint with RCMP over unwanted kiss

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by pylon

Look, I am not defending this guys actions, but if this happened to me by a woman or man, or pretty much any woman I know, they would not be trying to file assault charges, and ruin this delta bravo's life. Sometimes we have to deal with awkward moments in life, without involving the law. When I was in the Saddledome for Game 6 against Vancouver, and I think it was Stajan that scored in OT, the guy next to me I didn't know hugged me uninvited, and it was awkward. But I didn't go get an usher and ask him to be ejected and launch a sexual assault claim. If the guy grabbed my package or something... then yeah, I would probably have an issue.

In the same position I would just shrug my shoulders roll my eyes and continue on with my day. Yes, technically what this guy did was wrong, but to go on a life destroying witch hunt, is beyond ridiculous.

A) she's not the one conducting the investigation or therefore "witch hunting"
B) she won't be the one "trying to file charges"
C) what you would do in the same situation really really doesn't matter.
D) she isn't the one making this a story

[Zarley]

^ Exactly. It's a dumb act by a drunk or high guy. But generally harmless and certainly not assault - and certainly not newsworthy.

[AcGold]

I've been harassed at my job more than a few dozen times and several times at my previous job. At this point I'm all for punishing harassment and can empathize with women quite a bit. Most men have absolutely no idea what it's like to be sexually harassed.

To a lot of men they have this idea that women like the adulations and attention and they kind of ask for it. in the past 2 years I've experienced a lot of what women do and I'll tell you it's not fun being harassed ever, when you want to be left alone and people touch you with more than just a handshake it stays in your mind for a long time. I'm a fully grown man that can defend myself if someone really tried anything serious, for women it must be brutal not being able to escape when someone is being aggressive.

I'm all for this lady making a deal out of it because most men have no idea what it's like being harassed. Drunk people are the worst too, all touchy and invasive. Harassment is a large issue in society and if you've never really experienced it it's tough to understand. Women kind of get screwed over in this regard and not many people take it seriously enough.

Your buddy groping the girl at the bar might seem cool but the girl might be sitting there silently mortified unsure what to do or how to escape, sorry for the rant but men need to know how bad it is for women in this regard. The guy in question doesn't deserve to have his life ruined but shedding light on the subject is important.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

Honestly, what is so hard to understand is that the definition of level 1 sexual assault in Canada specifically includes the noun "Kissing" and yet there are people here saying the exact opposite. It's freaking weird.

Yes, you're right. The law is black and white. What was I thinking.

There's a big difference between throat fataing somebody with your tongue and pecking a girl on the cheek. They're both technically a kiss, but one is sexual and the other is the thing I do to my grandma.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Zarley

^ Exactly. It's a dumb act by a drunk or high guy. But generally harmless and certainly not assault - and certainly not newsworthy.

This is now just mind numbing. Best of luck grabbing your next handful of ass.

The other question here is what if our CBC reporter was a secret Rhonda Rousey and she slapped the lips off the guy. It would be nice to have a reasonable defense (self defense during the commission of a crime) when she goes to court to answer for his orthodontic bill.

Originally Posted by Sliver

Yes, you're right. The law is black and white. What was I thinking.

There's a big difference between throat fataing somebody with your tongue and pecking a girl on the cheek. They're both technically a kiss, but one is sexual and the other is the thing I do to my grandma.

Awesome. Find me something in our legal documentation to support that and we're gold. Unsolicited cheek kissing is back on.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Yes, you're right. The law is black and white. What was I thinking.

There's a big difference between throat fataing somebody with your tongue and pecking a girl on the cheek. They're both technically a kiss, but one is sexual and the other is the thing I do to my grandma.

So, how would you feel if some unknown drunk guy came up and kissed your daughter at the playground. I'm sure you would just laugh it off and casually say to your wife "Meh, I kiss my grandma like that all the time."

[zamler]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

This is now just mind numbing. Best of luck grabbing your next handful of ass.

The other question here is what if our CBC reporter was a secret Rhonda Rousey and she slapped the lips off the guy. It would be nice to have a reasonable defense (self defense during the commission of a crime) when she goes to court to answer for his orthodontic bill.

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[AcGold]

If you want to debate whether it's harassment or not it's easy. Was there unwanted touching? Yes? Then it was harassment end of story, what one person thinks as harmless may very well not be and usually leaves a lasting (negative) impression when it's uninvited.

[RougeUnderoos]

What we seem to be missing here is this woman was at work, working, when this bro played his little prank.

Now I don't care what people do in Southern Europe, what people do with their Grandma, or how un-offended you'd be if a strange man on the street kissed you on the cheek, she was at work and this guy was messing with her and her job. It's her prerogative to be just as pissed off as she wants to be.

If somebody came and harassed me at work and intentionally tried to make me look like a fool in front of my co-workers and clients, I wouldn't just laugh it off and say "if I was in Barcelona on vacation and being introduced to someone and they kissed me on the cheek, it would be exactly like this, so it's okay".

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

What is more important in this situation:

A: How it was intended?

B: How it was received?

Originally Posted by AcGold

If you want to debate whether it's harassment or not it's easy. Was there unwanted touching? Yes? Then it was harassment end of story, what one person thinks as harmless may very well not be and usually leaves a lasting (negative) impression when it's uninvited.

bang on

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by pylon

I am not arguing what this guy did was OK. I am arguing that the reaction is extreme. Nothing about what I saw in that video looked sexually menacing. It did look like stupid drunk/high idiot, just being a drunk/high idiot looking for 2 seconds of fame.

That's the essential crux of the whole thing, though. I agree that the reaction seems inflated, but then again I'm not a reporter trying to do my job who was surprised and interrupted doing said job through the violation of my personal space without my given consent.

Originally Posted by Sliver

Yes, you're right. The law is black and white. What was I thinking.

There's a big difference between throat fataing somebody with your tongue and pecking a girl on the cheek. They're both technically a kiss, but one is sexual and the other is the thing I do to my grandma.

Definitely, but as I said this is still unexpected and unwanted contact of a very personal nature between people unknown to each other. Granny may like either pecking and/or throat fataing from particular members of her family, but an on-location reporter would most likely scoff at both when approached by a complete stranger.

[Hanna Sniper]

Originally Posted by Zevo

So, how would you feel if some unknown drunk guy came up and kissed your daughter at the playground. I'm sure you would just laugh it off and casually say to your wife "Meh, I kiss my grandma like that all the time."

You do realize that you are changing the example to fit your end result

A more correct question would be "how would you feel if some unknown boy came up and kissed your daughter at the playground" Bring in this whole drunk man and child of the playground thing isn't close to being the same and is walking the line of something heavily steeping in something else which has nothing to do with the original reporter unwanted kiss

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

You do realize that you are changing the example to fit your precised wrong doing

A more correct question would be "how would you feel if some unknown boy came up and kissed your daughter at the playground" Bring in this whole drunk man and child of the playground thing.

To be fair the kissing a child was brought to the party by those that don't think this is anything more than a fella having some shiggles.

[Huntingwhale]

I don't think what he did was that horrible. But a message has to be sent that you can't do stuff like that to random people which is why I support the RCMP getting involved. Maybe next time it's an ass grab. Maybe next time someone grabs a reporters boob. Maybe next time someone gets sucker punched. Either way it's inappropriate.

But I also I think it's dumb how some newscasts just have to be in the middle of a public gathering with no protection from outside people running up and doing things like this. I agree with UDB that people should be expected to behave maturely in public. But the reality is that some people don't. Especially at a festival where drugs and booze are always flowing rampantly.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

You do realize that you are changing the example to fit your end result

A more correct question would be "how would you feel if some unknown boy came up and kissed your daughter at the playground" Bring in this whole drunk man and child of the playground thing isn't close to being the same and is walking the line of something heavily steeping in something else which has nothing to do with the original reporter unwanted kiss

Kind of like kissing your Grandma and drunkenly kissing a stranger is different?

[CliffFletcher]

The following two statements are not incompatible:

* Kissing a reporter while she's trying to do her job is idiotic and inexcusable.

* By taking it to the level of laying charges, CBC and the reporter in question look like they're capitalizing on the incident in the hopes that the story will go viral and raise their profile.

That sounds pretty cynical. But at least one highly-placed member of the media I know shares that cynicism.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I don't think what he did was that horrible. But a message has to be sent that you can't do stuff like that to random people which is why I support the RCMP getting involved. Maybe next time it's an ass grab. Maybe next time someone grabs a reporters boob. Maybe next time someone gets sucker punched. Either way it's inappropriate.

But I also I think it's dumb how some newscasts just have to be in the middle of a public gathering with no protection from outside people running up and doing things like this. I agree with UDB that people should be expected to behave maturely in public. But the reality is that some people don't. Especially at a festival where drugs and booze are always flowing rampantly.

The networks are just looking for the next viral video, and the CBC has gotten one. Female reporters and young drunk guys are the perfect mix to get what they want, this will be a ratings bonanza for the CBC. The News crews know exactly what they are doing, I'm curious how may shots they did before getting something contraversial. Be it a "FHRITP", someone flashing themselves, two guys fighting or a peck on the cheek, they got what they were after now they are stretching this double into a triple.

EDIT: ^lol, yes one is no excuse for the other but on these "live" on location reports, what is the goal if not a viral video?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by AcGold

If you want to debate whether it's harassment or not it's easy. Was there unwanted touching? Yes? Then it was harassment end of story, what one person thinks as harmless may very well not be and usually leaves a lasting (negative) impression when it's uninvited.

Harassment in what sense?

If we're talking about the dictionary version, then what's the point in making it fit within the four corners of that term except to create parallels with the legal sense of the term (where this behavior clearly does NOT fit)?

This is always super annoying when these stories come up - it's like you find someone who has done a thing that everyone agrees was a ####ty thing to do, and once that hurdle is cleared you can say whatever negative thing you want about that person without any sense of proportion or connection to reality.

[Hanna Sniper]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Kind of like kissing your Grandma and drunkenly kissing a stranger is different?

When did I say anything like that.

I think you may be confusing me for someone else as I said nothing of the sort.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The following two statements are not incompatible:

* Kissing a reporter while she's trying to do her job is idiotic and inexcusable.

* By taking it to the level of laying charges, CBC and the reporter in question look like they're capitalizing on the incident in the hopes that the story will go viral and raise their profile.

That sounds pretty cynical. But at least one highly-placed member of the media I know shares that cynicism.

When you consider it in context with the ongoing issue with the FHRITP idiocy, then I would say that the intent here isn't to "raise their/her profile", but to raise the profile of how reporters - especially female reporters - are harassed on an ongoing basis, usually right on (or over) the border of sexual harassment.

I think that what you are seeing here is the media continuing to fight back against harassment that a bunch of ######bros with raging male privilege mistakenly think is harmless.