[News] Marty St. Louis retires

[Hackey]

"Yzerman – whose day job is general manager of the Tampa Bay Lightning and who honoured St. Louis’s trade demand Wednesday and dealt him to the New York Rangers – hinted the infamous snub in which St. Louis was initially left off Team Canada was not the sole reason for the player’s departure."

"Yzerman declined to go into detail, but it appears the 15-year NHL veteran had made several trade demands since Yzerman became GM of the Lightning four years ago."

"The final step in the separation was still shocking. Until Yzerman made it clear St. Louis’s wish to leave did not erupt because of the 2014 Olympics"

Sounds like the guy just wanted to be closer to home and his family. Maybe Steve Y had convinced him on a couple occasions to stay. Marty stays out of loyalty. Then Steve Y snubs him. Marty feels why should I be loyal to you when you dont return the favor. I've wanted to be closer to my family for years now so sorry but I gotta do what's best for me because your obviously doing what's best for you.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Hackey

"Yzerman – whose day job is general manager of the Tampa Bay Lightning and who honoured St. Louis’s trade demand Wednesday and dealt him to the New York Rangers – hinted the infamous snub in which St. Louis was initially left off Team Canada was not the sole reason for the player’s departure."

"Yzerman declined to go into detail, but it appears the 15-year NHL veteran had made several trade demands since Yzerman became GM of the Lightning four years ago."

"The final step in the separation was still shocking. Until Yzerman made it clear St. Louis’s wish to leave did not erupt because of the 2014 Olympics"

Sounds like the guy just wanted to be closer to home and his family. Maybe Steve Y had convinced him on a couple occasions to stay. Marty stays out of loyalty. Then Steve Y snubs him. Marty feels why should I be loyal to you when you dont return the favor. I've wanted to be closer to my family for years now so sorry but I gotta do what's best for me because your obviously doing what's best for you.

That is one read of the situation, but in my view Yzerman was just doing the right thing by not commenting on the trade demand or why St. Louis might have requested the trade. There were plenty of reports at the time that indicated the "snub" was at least a part of the reason for his request. That makes him look like a petulant brat. I think the timing is too conincidental for the 2014 olympics not to have been a deciding factor.
Good player, no doubt, but a fan doesn't need to love the guy just because he was good. And for those that saw the all-star potential of St. Louis while he was in Calgary: good on you, as you would be the only ones that saw that. No one in the Flames organization or the NHL in general (passed through waivers) saw it. He was Paul Byron, nothing more.

[Hackey]

Steve Y has no obligation to say anything so I'll take him at his word. He could have easily said Marty requested a trade so we fullfilled his demands. You think he just made up the part about him requesting trades several times before?

And apparently you quoted me but didn't read what I wrote. I wrote that the snub likely played a part but wasn't the defining part. More the last straw.

But ya if you wanna go ahead and ignore what came directly out of Steve Y's mouth obviously you have your mind made up.

[Enoch Root]

Yzerman downplayed the event after the fact?

Colour me shocked

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Hackey, i read your take as Yzerman snubbed him and that somehow St. Louis took the high road which I just don't see. How does St.Louis making prior trade requests make him more sympathetic? I see it as Yzerman traded him when he did in part to honour his request and in part so as to avoid the distraction his pouting would place on the team.

[GioforPM]

I see it as: Yzerman snubbed him in 2010, and then when he became GM, Marty asked for a trade (repeatedly). Yzerman sorta snubs him in 2014 and the request is made again and this time Yzerman does it.

There's a lot in between the lines of those quotes including "not the sole reason". So it obviously was a reason (and probably the biggest). And if the biggest reason was to be closer to home, why not include Mtl, Toronto, NYI, NJ etc on his list?

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Hackey, i read your take as Yzerman snubbed him and that somehow St. Louis took the high road which I just don't see. How does St.Louis making prior trade requests make him more sympathetic? I see it as Yzerman traded him when he did in part to honour his request and in part so as to avoid the distraction his pouting would place on the team.

Never said anything about taking the high road. Previous trade requests show that he wanted to leave Tampa and be closer to his family. Thos was an ongoing issue. Steve Y convinced him to stay. It says he tried again to convince him to stay but Marty had made up his mind. If you've shown loyalty to someone for years and even sacrificed your own happiness to stay he probably felt a bit insulted when Steve Y snubbed him. Marty who had wanted to play closer to his family for years decide if your not going to show mutual loyalty then I'm gonna do what's best for me and my family. But yes let's continue acting like he comiitted some terrible crime against humanity and is a terrible human being. This type of thing happens every day in the real world. Get off your high horses.

[GioforPM]

" But yes let's continue acting like he comiitted some terrible crime against humanity and is a terrible human being."

I think you might be exaggerating the position people have taken just a little bit.

[Huntingwhale]

Marty might have wanted to play closer to his family and that very well might have been the #1 reason. But the fact he was part of the '04 team that beat the Flames makes me not care.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Marty might have wanted to play closer to his family and that very well might have been the #1 reason. But the fact he was part of the '04 team that beat the Flames makes me not care.

Ya well this actually makes sense. I see no problem with people disliking him because of that.

When Steve Y says the Olympic snub wasn't the reason he left. When Marty says it wasn't the reason he left. When Steve Y tells us he had wanted to leave for years and they had talked about it on a number of occasions. When he says it was for family reasons in a letter to Tampa fans. When he proves that by only accepting a deal to New York. When he retires earlier than he had too and again said it was so he could spend time with his family. Yet some posters want to try and say Steve Y and Marty are lieing or fabricate their own versions of the story. Just so you can crap on a guy? That's crazy to me.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think you might be exaggerating the position people have taken just a little bit.

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

I hate him, so happy he is finally out of the game. Crybaby, whiner, pouter, etc. I have zero respect for him.

Originally Posted by Locke

I just really dont like him, theres something about Marty St. Louis that I find unshakably distasteful. I really, really despise him.

I'd say these are the exaggerations. Even if we ignore the facts and say he left solely because of the snub I'd say this is a little much. But hey some people are miserable and love to judge and hate. But rather than take a step and realize maybe there was more to the story or realize maybe he just did what people do every day in every city around the world we'd rather just hate on a guy none of us have ever met. Bravo.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I'd say these are the exaggerations. Even if we ignore the facts and say he left solely because of the snub I'd say this is a little much. But hey some people are miserable and love to judge and hate. But rather than take a step and realize maybe there was more to the story or realize maybe he just did what people do every day in every city around the world we'd rather just hate on a guy none of us have ever met. Bravo.

It's almost like hating someone because he was a first round pick that you disagreed with, eh?

[justing]

Touching article by MSL on his mother's passing and retirement.

I sort soured on him after the whole Olympic snub and trade debacle, but I certainly respect him for what he was able to accomplish in the league.

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/mar...ining-rangers/

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's almost like hating someone because he was a first round pick that you disagreed with, eh?

I hate Mark Jankowski? News to me. Quote me. You can find quotes of me saying I disagreed with the decision making surrounding the pick but I also said I have no issue with the player and hope for the best for him. Let's not go down that road anyways.

Reading the article just confirmed what I thought. Seems like a respectable guy who cares a lot about his family. Made a difficult decision that was in his best interests and his families best interests. Was a decision that clearly him and Steve Y had talked about multiple times before the Olympic situation. Everyone reaches boiling points in life or gets fed up or frustrated. Normal human emotions. I think he could have handled the Olympic situation a bit differently but I see no reason to act like that somehow makes him some terrible person. Amazing hockey player.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I hate Mark Jankowski? News to me. Quote me. You can find quotes of me saying I disagreed with the decision making surrounding the pick but I also said I have no issue with the player and hope for the best for him. Let's not go down that road anyways.

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Why did you think I was talking about you?

Anyway, I accept you don't hate Jankowski. Yet you seem to be able to ascribe hatred to everyone who criticizes Marty St. Louis. Maybe that was the point being made.

[aedge]

Do you think the flames will retire his jersey?!?


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[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Why did you think I was talking about you?

Anyway, I accept you don't hate Jankowski. Yet you seem to be able to ascribe hatred to everyone who criticizes Marty St. Louis. Maybe that was the point being made.

I thought you were talking about me because you quoted my post.

Maybe you can quote the posts where I'm ascribing hate to people criticising Marty St Louis. I see difference of opinion but hardly anything you could call hate.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Never said anything about taking the high road. Previous trade requests show that he wanted to leave Tampa and be closer to his family. Thos was an ongoing issue. Steve Y convinced him to stay. It says he tried again to convince him to stay but Marty had made up his mind. If you've shown loyalty to someone for years and even sacrificed your own happiness to stay he probably felt a bit insulted when Steve Y snubbed him. Marty who had wanted to play closer to his family for years decide if your not going to show mutual loyalty then I'm gonna do what's best for me and my family. But yes let's continue acting like he comiitted some terrible crime against humanity and is a terrible human being. This type of thing happens every day in the real world. Get off your high horses.

Originally Posted by Hackey

Maybe you can quote the posts where I'm ascribing hate to people criticising Marty St Louis. I see difference of opinion but hardly anything you could call hate.

I'd say this fits the bill.

[TimSJ]

My son played against St louis's youngest son (2008) at the CCM Elite Invite tournament in Boston a couple of weeks ago. Martin was behind the bench for the CT jr Rangers. He was very nice to them all and they thought it was pretty to cool to have an NHL'r coaching against them.

Will came off the ice and said he told him he played a heck of a game when they were shaking hands. he thought that was awesome.

[GioforPM]

Missed this.

Originally Posted by Hackey

Maybe you can quote the posts where I'm ascribing hate to people criticising Marty St Louis. I see difference of opinion but hardly anything you could call hate.

Originally Posted by Hackey

I'd say these are the exaggerations. Even if we ignore the facts and say he left solely because of the snub I'd say this is a little much. But hey some people are miserable and love to judge and hate. But rather than take a step and realize maybe there was more to the story or realize maybe he just did what people do every day in every city around the world we'd rather just hate on a guy none of us have ever met. Bravo.