US Supreme Court rules same-sex marriage legal in all 50 states

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by pylon

I believe it will still always be tied to his term in office. Plus he has always fully supported it.

Simply not true. Obama was pro civil union, not pro marriage, until very recently.

[rubecube]

For what it's worth, Obama isn't exactly held in high regard by many people in the LGBTQ community. He's certainly the better of two evils, but has been nowhere near as progressive in the area as many have given him credit for.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Thor

Scalia the moron, of course he keeps bringing up his God...

So Scalia is saying that the Supreme Court is the supreme arbiter of the law in America? Huh, you'd think one of the other justices would have let him in on that when he first was appointed, or at least he would have picked up on that over the years.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by jammies

So Scalia is saying that the Supreme Court is the supreme arbiter of the law in America? Huh, you'd think one of the other justices would have let him in on that when he first was appointed, or at least he would have picked up on that over the years.

Isn't he saying that Obama is the Ruler here?

[jammies]

Not unless Obama is 9 lawyers.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by jammies

Not unless Obama is 9 lawyers.

"My Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 Million Americans" sounds like The President

And he's saying that Obama is now the "majority" instead of the actual majority of the SCOTUS which should be in charge

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

"My Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 Million Americans" sounds like The President

And he's saying that Obama is now the "majority" instead of the actual majority of the SCOTUS which should be in charge

That's not what Scalia is trying to say at all. His point is that (at least in his view), this ruling makes a 5-4 majority of the Supreme Court the ultimate rulers of the American people, whereas he believes it should be legislative and executive branches of government.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

That's not what Scalia is trying to say at all. His point is that (at least in his view), this ruling makes a 5-4 majority of the Supreme Court the ultimate rulers of the American people, whereas he believes it should be legislative and executive branches of government.

I went too deep with it

[BigBrodieFan]

Originally Posted by rubecube

For what it's worth, Obama isn't exactly held in high regard by many people in the LGBTQ community. He's certainly the better of two evils, but has been nowhere near as progressive in the area as many have given him credit for.

Obama publicly said he was against gay marriage when he was running for election. In this interview, you can see where he says he believes marriage is a union between a man and a woman, but he 'wouldn't be opposed' to civil unions. He also said he would not support a constitutional amendment to support gay marriage.

https://youtu.be/N6K9dS9wl7U


This wonderful accomplishment should not be credited to Obama. It should be credited to the LGBT community for speaking out, fighting, and never giving up on the right to equality. Obama just happens to be President, and he shouldn't take credit for it either.

It's important to note that the Supreme Court is charged with interpreting the U.S. Constitution and not interpret the Bible. The Court is not asked to figure out the 'will' of a Christian God, or what Christians find morally correct.

This would have happened with or without Obama.

I am just happy that I was here to witness it this past week. #LoveWins

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan

Obama publicly said he was against gay marriage when he was running for election. In this interview, you can see where he says he believes marriage is a union between a man and a woman, but he 'wouldn't be opposed' to civil unions. He also said he would not support a constitutional amendment to support gay marriage.

https://youtu.be/N6K9dS9wl7U

Although I agree with your larger point that Obama shouldn't get the credit for this (although that surely won't stop the anti-equality bigots from blaming it on him), the clip you posted comes from the 2008 election campaign. He said prior to his 2012 re-election that his views on marriage equality had evolved and he now supports gay marriage.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...WDU_story.html

Article is from May 9, 2012:

President Obama announced Wednesday that he believes same-sex couples should be granted the right to marry, becoming the first U.S. president in history to fully embrace that level of civil rights for gays.

Obama’s announcement gave an immediate jolt to the decades-long movement for gay equality at a moment when a growing number of states are moving to ban — or legalize — same-sex unions and as polls show a majority of Americans support marriage rights.

For Obama personally, the disclosure completed a long conversion process that advisers said ended earlier this year after soul-searching and talks with his family.

“I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married,” Obama said in an interview with Robin Roberts of ABC News.

Obama had hinted at that sentiment for years as he repeatedly said his views on gay marriage were “evolving,” but his statement still came as a dramatic election-year revelation that promised to energize advocates on both sides. Gay rights activists and many Democrats embraced the news, but some religious leaders, including one of Obama’s spiritual advisers, said they were distraught.

Emphasis added.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

And I think that is a major thing, and probably did help, but I certainly agree that he doesn't deserve credit for this. Dude simply figured out which way the wind was blowing.

[BigBrodieFan]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Although I agree with your larger point that Obama shouldn't get the credit for this (although that surely won't stop the anti-equality bigots from blaming it on him), the clip you posted comes from the 2008 election campaign. He said prior to his 2012 re-election that his views on marriage equality had evolved and he now supports gay marriage.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...WDU_story.html

Article is from May 9, 2012:



Emphasis added.

Of course he did.

He's a politician.

He said he was against it when he thought that's what the American people wanted to hear, and he said he was 'for it' when he was the incumbent.

I just hope no one is naive enough to believe that he prayed and thought about it and consulted his family. He had handlers who said 'You changed your mind on gay marriage,' and that's that.

Obama is a lame duck President with no power and absolutely not clout on the Supreme Court's decision.

(I hate all politicians in both political parties, equally, not picking on Obama personally)

As for some people on this thread talking 'Universal Healthcare,' - well, that's as far from the truth as possible. There is no such thing as 'Universal Healthcare' here in the States. Maybe some day.. But certainly not yet..

[chemgear]

Regardless of Obama, I'd say a lot of people have been thinking about the issue and changing their minds.

And I would imagine that we will soon look at the people who are still vehemently against same-sex marriage now in the same way we currently look at people in 2015 holding up signs and screaming that interracial marriages should be legally banned.

As many have pointed out, these people are still recycling the same religious and strawman fallacies from 50 years ago.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan

Of course he did.

He's a politician.

He said he was against it when he thought that's what the American people wanted to hear, and he said he was 'for it' when he was the incumbent.

I just hope no one is naive enough to believe that he prayed and thought about it and consulted his family. He had handlers who said 'You changed your mind on gay marriage,' and that's that.

Obama is a lame duck President with no power and absolutely not clout on the Supreme Court's decision.

(I hate all politicians in both political parties, equally, not picking on Obama personally)

As for some people on this thread talking 'Universal Healthcare,' - well, that's as far from the truth as possible. There is no such thing as 'Universal Healthcare' here in the States. Maybe some day.. But certainly not yet..

While I'm sure politics has plenty to do with this as well, there's also the undeniable fact that lots of people have allowed their views on same sex marriage to "evolve" over the last few years. Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that when this topic came up on CP in years past, there were far more dissenting voices. Now it's overwhelmingly positive and in favor.

There's lots of shady stuff that politicians do, Obama included (drones, surveillance, TPP), but to assume that his viewpoint on gay marriage didn't change as time moved on isn't necessarily true. I would imagine his daughters--growing up in a generation that is far more tolerant and accepting (and even celebrating) of LGBT rights--might have had some effect on him.

It may be politically helpful, but it's also evident among people country-wide. Lots of American citizens in general are changing their view of same-sex marriage, no reason why Obama should be any different.

[jayswin]

Is there even a single poster against gay marriage on CP, these days? I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a post against it.

[The Goon]

[Thor]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

While I'm sure politics has plenty to do with this as well, there's also the undeniable fact that lots of people have allowed their views on same sex marriage to "evolve" over the last few years. Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that when this topic came up on CP in years past, there were far more dissenting voices. Now it's overwhelmingly positive and in favor.

There's lots of shady stuff that politicians do, Obama included (drones, surveillance, TPP), but to assume that his viewpoint on gay marriage didn't change as time moved on isn't necessarily true. I would imagine his daughters--growing up in a generation that is far more tolerant and accepting (and even celebrating) of LGBT rights--might have had some effect on him.

It may be politically helpful, but it's also evident among people country-wide. Lots of American citizens in general are changing their view of same-sex marriage, no reason why Obama should be any different.

Exactly, not to mention his good friend Biden's influence, as well as the opinion of his daughters who live in a generation that doesn't get why people are against this to begin with.

[Caged Great]

Obama said in the 90's that he was for gay marriage. He took a more conservative view in order to not get harmed politically because it was not a popular at the time, like what most politicians do.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Obama said in the 90's that he was for gay marriage. He took a more conservative view in order to not get harmed politically because it was not a popular at the time, like what most politicians do.

'Civil unions' is the bull####tiest of political stances.

It is the 'seperate but equal' of this century.

[Coach]

Did this up the day of the announcement. Couldn't post until now...



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