[Signing] Flames sign Jon Gillies to 3 yr ELC (Contract starts now). Joins team in Vancouver.

[GreenLantern]

Do you think the status of college players will be addressed in the next CBA?

Are enough teams sick of losing a draft pick they spent years developing because he 'didn't feel like' playing for them?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Do you think the status of college players will be addressed in the next CBA?

Are enough teams sick of losing a draft pick they spent years developing because he 'didn't feel like' playing for them?

No. It was designed this way on purpose. There is only 1 guys a year that seems to decide he's not going to sign, while there are many more teams that decide not to sign college players they have drafted.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Do you think the status of college players will be addressed in the next CBA?

Are enough teams sick of losing a draft pick they spent years developing because he 'didn't feel like' playing for them?

I don't know what they can do about it other than extending a teams rights to 5 years.

The other thing is, getting a 2nd for compensation is pretty weak. You need to wait 4yrs to find out and than you get the 2nd in the next year. Say if you're lucky the 2nd is ready after two years, that's 7 years to see any results on a 1st round draft pick and time is money.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Do you think the status of college players will be addressed in the next CBA?

Are enough teams sick of losing a draft pick they spent years developing because he 'didn't feel like' playing for them?

Has it been that big of a problem though?

Justin Shultz, Kevin Hayes.. who else? one or two more guys?

[Roof-Daddy]

Corban Knight did it as well, it's just that the Flames traded for him early instead of waiting until August 16th

[Pliddy]

It might be only one a year that refuses to sign, but how many threaten to play their 4th year to get a better contract. The easy solution would be to not draft ncaa players, but not every player developes in major junior and it is nice to have a place for long term prospects to play

[Vulcan]

Wheeler as well. The thing is it seems to happen with top end prospects, so it hurts more.

[getbak]

You still hold a college player's rights as long or longer than any other player you draft.

A CHL player can refuse to sign with you and re-enter the draft after two years. If he goes undrafted the second time around, he becomes a free agent right away. If he gets drafted again, it's another two years, but he can reach full free agency by refusing to sign for four years.

European players and college players who leave school before their senior year are also held for four years, and those college players who play their senior year are an extra two and a half months.

Because a college player's rights are tied directly to his graduating class, teams can even hold a player's rights for more than 4 years. Boston drafted a goalie in 2010 who is now the starter at the University of North Dakota. He played two years in the USHL before going to college, so he could go back for his senior year next season, and the Bruins would apparently still hold his rights until August 15, 2016...more than 6 years after he was drafted.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

What do the numbers on the water bottle mean?

Atomic numbers

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by getbak

You still hold a college player's rights as long or longer than any other player you draft.

A CHL player can refuse to sign with you and re-enter the draft after two years. If he goes undrafted the second time around, he becomes a free agent right away. If he gets drafted again, it's another two years, but he can reach full free agency by refusing to sign for four years.

European players and college players who leave school before their senior year are also held for four years, and those college players who play their senior year are an extra two and a half months.

Because a college player's rights are tied directly to his graduating class, teams can even hold a player's rights for more than 4 years. Boston drafted a goalie in 2010 who is now the starter at the University of North Dakota. He played two years in the USHL before going to college, so he could go back for his senior year next season, and the Bruins would apparently still hold his rights until August 15, 2016...more than 6 years after he was drafted.

The difference is with CHL players you can sign the player at any time during those two years and he doesn't lose his junior eligibility so the window is far longer. With college players, he can't continue at college and must go pro. This is a problem created by the American college system and their phony two faced amateur rules. Any NHL rule change to make this a more level playing field is fine with me.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

The difference is with CHL players you can sign the player at any time during those two years and he doesn't lose his junior eligibility so the window is far longer. With college players, he can't continue at college and must go pro. This is a problem created by the American college system and their phony two faced amateur rules. Any NHL rule change to make this a more level playing field is fine with me.

Sure they can sign them anytime. But it's not like they spend the full 2 years negotiating a deal while in the CHL, they usually either sign right away or in March-June. Which is why they get the summer to negotiate with NCAA players. If you can't work out an ELC contract between mid-April and mid-August, it's pretty obvious you never will.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Sure they can sign them anytime. But it's not like they spend the full 2 years negotiating a deal while in the CHL, they usually either sign right away or in March-June. Which is why they get the summer to negotiate with NCAA players. If you can't work out an ELC contract between mid-April and mid-August, it's pretty obvious you never will.

You're missing the point that a CHL player can sign and retain his junior eligibility, a college player can't. The longer a team needs to wait on a top draft choice, the more options he has.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

You're missing the point that a CHL player can sign and retain his junior eligibility, a college player can't. The longer a team needs to wait on a top draft choice, the more options he has.

I get that, but it's not an issue. The guys walking are not "top draft choices" though. At best they are late first rounders. The top guys want to go pro sooner than 4 years after being drafted.

[GioforPM]

It's a limited sample size, but it seems like the players who do this are drafted later but may have raised their profile after the draft.

[sureLoss]

Gillies' first signing bonus purchase:
Jon Gillies @JGillies32
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[FBI]

Feasters lost some weight

[Ozy_Flame]

Should have got a Tesla or something cool :/

[GioforPM]

I like how his head tops that jacked up 4X4 by a few inches.

[codynw]

With a truck like that he'll have no trouble fitting in in Alberta.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

The difference is with CHL players you can sign the player at any time during those two years and he doesn't lose his junior eligibility so the window is far longer. With college players, he can't continue at college and must go pro. This is a problem created by the American college system and their phony two faced amateur rules. Any NHL rule change to make this a more level playing field is fine with me.

A team can always sign a college player and then plant him in juniors for a year.

That happened with Mike Comrie.

The team would also then be free to bring the guy up and down from juniors with impunity as he wasn't drafted out of major juniors.