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Old 04-08-2015, 11:43 AM   #101
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Funny I never mentioned Bennett or said shore was the best replacement

Calling a 24 year old a "bad player" because he is not yet a full time NHLer is not a valid argument. Shore has played well when in the lineup this year and was a major contributor to the win last week Vs. the Preds

By your logic Gio is a "bad player" because he wasn't a full time NHLer at 24
I didn't mean bad as in he's a bust or something.

I meant bad as in he's hardly anymore reliable than Bennett. Bad relative to the team.
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I actually think Shore has been really good when he's been in the lineup. Not sure why he's been in and out so often. Same with Ferland.
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Shore is a very good lower line option. The reason he's not in consistently is similar to Bennett. He's not a guy who is as versed in the system as Granlund or Jooris, the other options.

There's evidence that Raymond is worse thanBennett defensively- he made a couple nice defensive plays last game, andConroy hints that Bennett is a not yet there as far as systems go. No swarms.
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Old 04-08-2015, 11:51 AM   #104
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I actually think Shore has been really good when he's been in the lineup. Not sure why he's been in and out so often. Same with Ferland.
I don't have any complaints about Shore. Plays a basic game, minimal mistakes.

You can't have 12 Hudlers, 6 Gios, and 2 Kippers out there.

You need some Shores & Stajans too.
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Old 04-08-2015, 11:52 AM   #105
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Serious question: What is a swarm defence? Obviously Eakins failed miserably at it when trying to implement it with the Oilers so I never really got a feel for what it was, but does it actually work if done properly?
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Stajan was fairly useful last game
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Old 04-08-2015, 11:53 AM   #107
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Shore is a very good lower line option. The reason he's not in consistently is similar to Bennett. He's not a guy who is as versed in the system as Granlund or Jooris, the other options.

There's evidence that Raymond is worse thanBennett defensively- he made a couple nice defensive plays last game, andConroy hints that Bennett is a not yet there as far as systems go. No swarms.

Oh you're saying you don't want to reinvent the way defense is played in the modern NHL? What if you had a rookie coach who hasn't coached a single game in the NHL? Then would you consider rewriting the way defense has been played for the last 35 years or so?

I digress
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I actually think Shore has been really good when he's been in the lineup. Not sure why he's been in and out so often. Same with Ferland.
Shore had a bit of a ****-up during the St. Louis game, though I do feel Hartley is extra-harsh on him with the consecutive scratches.
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Oh you're saying you don't want to reinvent the way defense is played in the modern NHL? What if you had a rookie coach who hasn't coached a single game in the NHL? Then would you consider rewriting the way defense has been played for the last 35 years or so?

I digress
They swarm a lot in junior, which is why Roy tried it, and why Bennett mentioned it to Connie I think.
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I don't have any complaints about Shore. Plays a basic game, minimal mistakes.

You can't have 12 Hudlers, 6 Gios, and 2 Kippers out there.

You need some Shores & Stajans too.
No argument here. But lets run two scenarios.

We're up by a goal and defending the lead in the dying minutes. If you have Shore in the line up or if you have Bennett in the lineup, at worst both can clamp down and play tight D, maybe Shore can do it better, chances are however, both players would sit in this situation.

Now, lets say were down by a goal in the dying minutes. Are you going to throw Drew freaking Shore out there? No. But you can guarantee that Bennett would be playing and there is a damn good chance he could be the difference.

That's my $0.02 and why I think sitting Bennett is a stupid decision and has been this whole time.
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No argument here. But lets run two scenarios.

We're up by a goal and defending the lead in the dying minutes. If you have Shore in the line up or if you have Bennett in the lineup, at worst both can clamp down and play tight D, maybe Shore can do it better, chances are however, both players would sit in this situation.

Now, lets say were down by a goal in the dying minutes. Are you going to throw Drew freaking Shore out there? No. But you can guarantee that Bennett would be playing and there is a damn good chance he could be the difference.

That's my $0.02 and why I think sitting Bennett is a stupid decision and has been this whole time.
Actually no, you can't guarantee that at all. Guys like Jones, Bouma, even Raymond would be more likely to be out there than Bennett. How could you guess? Because they've been in that situation before in the NHL. Proven to be able to score goals. Bennett hasn't done any of that or shown anything in regular ice time to be the guy you rely on when you're down. He'll get a chance at some point but based on his draft pedigree and limited showing, I seriously doubt what you're suggesting will happen. At least not right away.
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No argument here. But lets run two scenarios.

We're up by a goal and defending the lead in the dying minutes. If you have Shore in the line up or if you have Bennett in the lineup, at worst both can clamp down and play tight D, maybe Shore can do it better, chances are however, both players would sit in this situation.

Now, lets say were down by a goal in the dying minutes. Are you going to throw Drew freaking Shore out there? No. But you can guarantee that Bennett would be playing and there is a damn good chance he could be the difference.

That's my $0.02 and why I think sitting Bennett is a stupid decision and has been this whole time.

I think I disagree there. Down by a goal in the dying minutes, you'd obviously have the big line out there, and your 6th skater would likely be a guy like Jones, Stajan, but most likely Backlund.

The reality of this is that Bennett simply has never played in the NHL. Although all the signs are good, we don't know how he'll play.
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Yeah I kind of agree that it's too late now. We should have played him against Edmonton and Arizona so that we'd have an idea of how he holds up in big games.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:02 PM   #115
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Not the best timing... but I'm close to releasing my Bouma video that spans the start of his career in 2011 up until the end of last season.

If you love blocked shots and hits, and only a handful of goals... you'll love this one! It's going to be surprisingly long.
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Yeah I kind of agree that it's too late now. We should have played him against Edmonton and Arizona so that we'd have an idea of how he holds up in big games.
They iced the lineup they felt would best enable wins. Which happened.
There is zero reason not to trust their decisions moving forward. If Bennett is part of that decision, good. If he is not, also good.
Win Thursday and we will see him Saturday, no question.
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It's a blurry picture, but here's a screen grab of the Bouma shot block. Hard to see where the puck is so I highlighted it with a red circle, looks like right around the ribcage, probably with the angle Bouma was at the puck could have found its way underneath the shoulder pads. Hopefully its not a cracked rib but that is what it looks most likely to be.

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If it's a rib, minimum a month. Had 2 rib injuries in last 12 months both took over a month to recover from.
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It's a blurry picture, but here's a screen grab of the Bouma shot block. Hard to see where the puck is so I highlighted it with a red circle, looks like right around the ribcage, probably with the angle Bouma was at the puck could have found its way underneath the shoulder pads. Hopefully its not a cracked rib but that is what it looks most likely to be.

Don't you have that technology like on CSI or Criminal Minds where they zoom in on a video like 1000x, then just click the magic button and it's back to 1080p quality?

No? For shame.
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Don't you have that technology like on CSI or Criminal Minds where they zoom in on a video like 1000x, then just click the magic button and it's back to 1080p quality?

No? For shame.
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