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Madman · 03-26-2015, 01:42 PM

The Canadian Press @CdnPress
BREAKING: Canada's Transport minister issues edict requiring two crew members in cockpit.

polak · 03-26-2015, 02:38 PM

Crazy few months for airline accidents, not quantity wise but cause wise.

Plane completely vanishes, satellite data shows it changed directions and went on for hours.

Plane gets shot down over Europe

Pilot commits murder-suicide by crashing plane.

Nuts.

Acey · 03-26-2015, 03:27 PM

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As expected.

WestJet @WestJet
Following the tragedy in France, we are implementing a policy requiring two crew members be in the flight deck at all times.

As long as the second crew member is a psychiatrist, everything will be just fine.

4X4 · 03-26-2015, 03:35 PM

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As long as the second crew member is a psychiatrist, everything will be just fine.

Yeah... So this means that some stewardess is going to get a fire extinguisher over the head before the pilot does what he's planning to do?

FlameOn · 03-26-2015, 04:06 PM

News outlets are reporting the co-pilot set the autopilot to 1000ft. Yikes.

Acey · 03-26-2015, 04:18 PM

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Yeah... So this means that some stewardess is going to get a fire extinguisher over the head before the pilot does what he's planning to do?

Yeah I mean... if he's intending to kill 150 people, strangling the FA will just be a warmup.

These quick decisions for the second crew member on the flight deck are for public peace of mind, while behind the scenes they'll slowly place a greater focus on mental health and rest for pilots because there's nothing else really to do.

nik- · 03-26-2015, 04:21 PM

Except strangling someone or hitting them in the head with a fire extinguisher is personal. He could have done the same thing to the pilot sitting with him but didn't.

Acey · 03-26-2015, 04:30 PM

I don't have the mind of a psychopath, but I'd rather take out an FA than my captain. Would require much less effort. But again, even with two strong dudes up there, a third guy can do some serious damage. (Again, see FedEx 705)

But more importantly, on a Boeing aircraft, you might not even need to harm the FA. Just disconnect the autopilot, full throttle, pin the yoke, and in time the aircraft is breaking up at nearly supersonic speed and the FA has long been pinned to the windshield due to G forces. (See SilkAir 185)

nik- · 03-26-2015, 04:31 PM

Ok?

They can't make it foolproof, they're changing what they can.

4X4 · 03-26-2015, 04:32 PM

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Except strangling someone or hitting them in the head with a fire extinguisher is personal. He could have done the same thing to the pilot sitting with him but didn't.

I suppose that was my sexist way of assuming that the pilot was a full grown man, and that a stewardess is a more easily overpowered woman.

The problem is that you don't know who the crazy people are. Maybe it's the flight attendant. As soon as she's put in the cockpit, she uses the training she's been taking on the side to Vulcan nerve pinch the remaining pilot and guide the plane to doom.

Unfortunately, all I have is problems for this solution. I considered that the real answer would be technology. Each pilot has a medic alert bracelet that informs the nearest control tower that the plane is under hostile command, and then the tower can magically take over control, but I guess that could get hacked.

I'm just gonna go back to shutting up.

Machiavelli · 03-26-2015, 04:37 PM

What a horrific situation...those poor passengers.

And can you imagine being the pilot, realizing what your co pilot is doing, but being completely powerless to stop it? So awful.

Inglewood Jack · 03-26-2015, 04:54 PM

so the captain left the cabin for a bathroom break which gave the co-pilot the opportunity to do his evil. but what if the captain had an iron bladder or just didn't need to go? would there have been the type of cockpit ninja battle I'm reading about here? just how premeditated was the suicide plan? would he have simply waited until the next flight, hoping that it would finally be the one where the other pilot has to get up for a whiz?

they will now spend the next few weeks trying to construct a psychological profile for this guy, but in the end it might not matter. it could even have been just a random snap decision he made in the 2 minutes the captain was out.

nik- · 03-26-2015, 04:56 PM

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so the captain left the cabin for a bathroom break which gave the co-pilot the opportunity to do his evil. but what if the captain had an iron bladder or just didn't need to go? would there have been the type of cockpit ninja battle I'm reading about here? just how premeditated was the suicide plan? would he have simply waited until the next flight, hoping that it would finally be the one where the other pilot has to get up for a whiz?

they will now spend the next few weeks trying to construct a psychological profile for this guy, but in the end it might not matter. it could even have been just a random snap decision he made in the 2 minutes the captain was out.

It might have just never happened. Maybe he waits until the next flight, maybe he decides to just drop a toaster in his bath. That flight is just over two hours long, it's very reasonable that a pilot wouldn't have to use the washroom in that timespan.

Acey · 03-26-2015, 04:56 PM

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Ok?

They can't make it foolproof, they're changing what they can.

Yep, agreed... hence my post:

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Originally Posted by Acey

behind the scenes they'll slowly place a greater focus on mental health and rest for pilots because there's nothing else really to do.

Acey · 03-26-2015, 06:34 PM

Re: mental health, an Air Canada pilot said this:

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Where I fly, it IS addressed, and it IS acknowledged. Starting at a union level there are phone numbers, one can call 24 hours a day and seek help. No one is judged and it simply starts with removing the pilot from active status as he gets help ... with FULL PAY. Sometimes it is just life's travails ganging up on you, sometimes it is something far more serious.

If it is not curable, or if the drugs needed are not acceptable to Transport Canada, then that pilot will simply deal with his disease till he retires. Depending on how long he has been flying, he may well be paid until age 60 where he retires with a full pension.

Given these circumstances, a pilot is more likely to accept help and get better. Sadly, not every country and not every airline has these "perks". In my very humble opinion, THAT is where improvements should be made ... don't look at changing cockpit doors .... look at adding aid to someone that needs help.

GirlySports · 03-26-2015, 07:07 PM

Mental health is unexplainable. Heck hes probably sitting somewhere now wondering what he just did.

worth · 03-26-2015, 07:09 PM

yeah, sitting on Satan's spiked dildo.

killer_carlson · 03-26-2015, 07:11 PM

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Mental health is unexplainable. Heck hes probably sitting somewhere now wondering what he just did.

I suspect he is looking up at the world, not from above.

nieuwy-89 · 03-26-2015, 09:06 PM

Mental health is trotted out as an excuse for committing atrocious crimes way too often these days. I'm tired of hearing about it.

Kavvy · 03-26-2015, 09:57 PM

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Mental health is trotted out as an excuse for committing atrocious crimes way too often these days. I'm tired of hearing about it.

100% disagree.

Without any stats to back me up (aka I could be full of it), I think if society invested in mental health it would pay dividends later to us via less crime, hospital stays and government benefits.

It isn't spoke about enough. Who know what we could have prevented, but we can't rule out the possibility.