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Icon · 03-01-2015, 04:05 PM

I wanted Coburn a couple years back, still think he'd be great on the Flames

doctajones428 · 03-01-2015, 04:10 PM

I ate a Philly Cheesesteak like an hour ago, hopefully that means something

sureLoss · 03-01-2015, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

I don't understand the graphs but if more longer horizontal bars are good, then yeah, Coburn is a massive upgrade.

The graphs show the ranking of the player in each stat.

For example Coburn's bar reaches past "Top Pairing" in the TOI/G stat means that he is in the top 60 in the NHL for that stat.

bar reaching past "Top-4" means in the 60-120th in the NHL for that particular stat

bar reaching past "Bottom pairing" means in the 120th-180th in the NHL for that stat

anything below "Bottom pairing" means in the 180th-220th in that stat and basically replacement player stats.

sureLoss · 03-01-2015, 04:14 PM

Roger has picked it up:

Roger Millions @RogMillions
Philly may be wanting to move Coburn. Lives CGY in summer. Is there a fit? Maybe there's ways #Flames could assist cap strapped #Flyers

Fire of the Phoenix · 03-01-2015, 04:25 PM

I wanted Coburn in 2003 and was disappointed with when we had to "settle" for Phaneuf. True story. Now, he didn't end up as good as I thought but I would still love to have him here now. Solid #4 and he would compliment Russell perfectly. Not young, but still has enough years ahead of him that he could help the team while they rebuild and when they're ready to contend. I am surprised he's even available TBH, I would've assumed they'd ditch Schenn before him.

saillias · 03-01-2015, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

The graphs show the ranking of the player in each stat.

For example Coburn's bar reaches past "Top Pairing" in the TOI/G stat means that he is in the top 60 in the NHL for that stat.

bar reaching past "Top-4" means in the 60-120th in the NHL for that particular stat

bar reaching past "Bottom pairing" means in the 120th-180th in the NHL for that stat

anything below "Bottom pairing" means in the 180th-220th in that stat and basically replacement player stats.

TJ Brodie's offense isn't top 4? Clean it up, blue charts!

FlamesAllTheWay · 03-01-2015, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Money Baer

Hypothetically, how would you guys like to see it play out if we did land him?

Gio - Brodie
Russell - Coburn
Wideman - Engelland

I think you still keep the top 2 pairings as they've had success this year - Gio and Brodie, Russell and Wideman. Then Coburn and Smid, Engelland, Diaz, etc.

The biggest benefit would be that Hartley would be able to play that bottom pairing a lot more than he is now. So you'd take a bit of the load off of the top 4 D we already have. Also that Coburn can play the PK and when the injury bug hits he can step into the top 4 pretty easily.

FlamesAllTheWay · 03-01-2015, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Roger has picked it up:

Roger Millions @RogMillions
Philly may be wanting to move Coburn. Lives CGY in summer. Is there a fit? Maybe there's ways #Flames could assist cap strapped #Flyers

If there's a way we can land Coburn and also have Philly pay us in picks/prospects to take Lecavalier, I'd definitely be up for it. However, that's 9 million in salary coming our way (4.5 each) for at least next season, with Gio's contract coming up for extension after next year as well.

I don't think Philly's really looking for any salary retention as their right up against the cap. So if the rumours are to be believed, Stajan or Raymond go back the other way, if possible. Makes it slightly under 6 mill in additional salary coming back our way. Perhaps Diaz, Engelland, etc as well. Could bring it down a bit closer to 5 mill.

Given we're taking Lecavalier off their hands I don't see us sacrificing much else in the way of the future to get the deal done. Also that Philly would probably need to sweeten the pot with a decent pick and/or prospect of their own.

Usually avoid making trade proposals, speculating to this degree, etc, as there's more to it than I'm going to be aware of. IMO, however, this could be an ideal trade to pull off with regards to using our cap space to take on a bad contract in exchange for some good picks in a deep draft.

Bar-Down · 03-01-2015, 04:44 PM

I wouldn't mind grabbing one of philly's younger dman as it'll help now and into the future.

I just wouldn't want to take Lecavalier's contract. He's signed until 2018 and that just seems to long for the Flames as our young guys will be looking for raises by then.

Caged Great · 03-01-2015, 04:50 PM

Just because the Flames would have to take Lecavalier's contract doesn't mean they couldn't flip it immediately after.

dammage79 · 03-01-2015, 04:52 PM

The expectations of an extra pick to sweeten the pot so to speak is a bit too much to get a deal done I think. For me, just getting Coburn on the cheap is enough to convince me to take Vinnys contract.

Fire of the Phoenix · 03-01-2015, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Money Baer

Absolutely! It helps us while Gio is down, and dramatically improves our team when he's back! Being able to distribute our bottom pair minutes more across the board will be a huge boost...

Hypothetically, how would you guys like to see it play out if we did land him?

Gio - Brodie
Russell - Coburn
Wideman - Engelland

I think, if we did acquire Coburn, it would look like this at the start of 15/16:

Giordano-Brodie
Russell-Coburn
Smid/Wotherspoon-Wideman

Maybe carry 8 D since Engelland can play RW if needed. That's a top 10 defense easy, maybe top 5 if no one takes a step back and Wotherspoon impresses.

dissentowner · 03-01-2015, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Split98

Not that I'm WANTING Wideman off the team, but the Yandle return certainly seems interesting.

Getting Coborn makes it much more fathomable to be a playoff team without Wideman. Maybe pieces in play here (pure speculation) that a deal taking Vinnys contract in exchange for Coburn is hinging on the return we can get for a guy like Wideman and Russell?

Again, not advocating that we should shop 'em to get them off the team (a la Glencross) but a 1st and a prospect has got to be impossible to pass up if Coborn can be had.

I would not deal Russell for a 1st and a prospect unless that 1st is a top 10 pick or the prospect is a top end prospect. Then after you deal him you can kiss our playoff chances goodbye. KR might be the most underrated player we have.

Fire of the Phoenix · 03-01-2015, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

I would not deal Russell for a 1st and a prospect unless that 1st is a top 10 pick or the prospect is a top end prospect. Then after you deal him you can kiss our playoff chances goodbye. KR might be the most underrated player we have.

Agree 100%

Go_Flames4ever · 03-01-2015, 05:06 PM

Taking on Vinny for another 3 years isn't the end of the world if we can get Coburn along with him. We have cap space and really don't need it until 2017/18 when the youth will be looking for raises.

If we can move Stajan or Raymond to offset the cap of Vinny for the next 2 or 3 years anyways. Plus Vinny is still probably better than either of those 2 in production, and he's a big body for our bottom lines.

But the main reason you'd do this is the ability to pick up a good asset in Coburn who can slot in 4-6 easily on this team.

Badgers Nose · 03-01-2015, 05:06 PM

This is very interesting.

Obtaining a good 6'5" blueliner is a great idea, even if Gio was fit as a fiddle.

transplant99 · 03-01-2015, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

I would not deal Russell for a 1st and a prospect unless that 1st is a top 10 pick or the prospect is a top end prospect. Then after you deal him you can kiss our playoff chances goodbye. KR might be the most underrated player we have.

No question...and maybe among the most underrated in the entire league.

What he has morphed into under Hartley is nothing short of amazing.

Badgers Nose · 03-01-2015, 05:08 PM

I think Russel Coburn is a great upgrade on the 2nd pairing, and Smid Wideman would be great too. Wideman playing fewer 5-5 minutes and more PP time would be great too.

Philly06Cup · 03-01-2015, 06:07 PM

Coburn definitely struggling with Philly. Was injured, and has lost a step since returning.

Would agree that he has been the worst Dman since returning: Streit, MacDonald, Grossman, Del Zotto, Schultz, L Schenn are all playing better than him. There has actually been controversy among the Dmen, since those other Dmen have actually been healthy scratches so that Coburn could get minutes and be shopped around.

Flyers are smart to move him while his value is highest.

Fire of the Phoenix · 03-01-2015, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Coburn definitely struggling with Philly. Was injured, and has lost a step since returning.

Would agree that he has been the worst Dman since returning: Streit, MacDonald, Grossman, Del Zotto, Schultz, L Schenn are all playing better than him. There has actually been controversy among the Dmen, since those other Dmen have actually been healthy scratches so that Coburn could get minutes and be shopped around.

Flyers are smart to move him while his value is highest.

Haven't watched much of Coburn the last few years. Would you say he was already in decline before the injury? Do you think there a chance he finds his game at some point or was it that debilitating that he's damaged goods now?