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Ashasx · 02-25-2015, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Interesting perspective coming from someone who has been calling for the kid glove treatment of Sven's ego for the past 2 years and pissing and moaning about the discrepancy between Sven's treatment and Colborne's. No calls when it comes to that topic about Sven "needing to understand" how the NHL and being a pro works.

To begin, those situations are not comparable.

I never pissed and moaned that Sven hasn't received the same treatment as Colborne. Sven hasn't even been in the position to be waiver eligible yet.

In the case, I was referring to the odd sentiment from the usual suspects (again, it's the same posters every time) that Sven had proven less than Colborne, which as I have proven in other threads, is obviously incorrect.

In any case, my motivation is team success. That's why I am high on Baertschi.

And just as in this case of building for the future, I am motivated by team success. So as you will understand, I have never swayed in my opinion. One thought does not contradict the other.

dino7c · 02-25-2015, 11:45 AM

If Kessel wasn't in Toronto fans would be all over it, all the negative media with him and the Leafs give people a bad impression. Guy is one of the best goal scorers in the league, fairly young, and his contract matches his production. If the cost to acquire him was low enough go for it. Its not very often a team trades a player of this caliber.

sureLoss · 02-25-2015, 11:46 AM

If anyone want to hear the context of Kypreos' comments.

http://pmd.fan590.com/podcasts/hocke...-Wednesday.mp3

starts at around the 42 minute mark.

GioforPM · 02-25-2015, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

If you remove ten other players from the Flames roster, Glencross is the best sniper.

Or guys who are, say only 2 goals behind with 21 less games played.

GioforPM · 02-25-2015, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

If Kessel wasn't in Toronto fans would be all over it, all the negative media with him and the Leafs give people a bad impression. Guy is one of the best goal scorers in the league, fairly young, and his contract matches his production. If the cost to acquire him was low enough go for it. Its not very often a team trades a player of this caliber.

I just don't know if Toronto can pull it off. While his stock is probably as low among GMs as it ever will be, the fans will blow a gasket if the return looks unfair (they won't consider salary dump, etc). Those fans will expect McEichel or something.

Hackey · 02-25-2015, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

If anyone want to hear the context of Kypreos' comments.

http://pmd.fan590.com/podcasts/hocke...-Wednesday.mp3

starts at around the 42 minute mark.

Personally I don't read into the comments too much. Sounds like Treliving has been working the phones hard and wouldn't mind shipping out some of his bad contracts and would like to add a more productive piece if possible but their not going to be trading anything significant that hurts the rebuild. Didn't sound like any deal specifically he's trying to work out. Sounded like Kypreos got a bit of info and speculated more than anything. Obviously I could be wrong but that's sorta what I took from it.

Itse · 02-25-2015, 12:24 PM

Well, we're deep but lacking in top talent, so from that angle trying to turn quantity into quality makes sense.

That said, I'm not putting much weight into that Stajan/Raymond rumour.

GioforPM · 02-25-2015, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

To begin, those situations are not comparable.

I never pissed and moaned that Sven hasn't received the same treatment as Colborne. Sven hasn't even been in the position to be waiver eligible yet.

In the case, I was referring to the odd sentiment from the usual suspects (again, it's the same posters every time) that Sven had proven less than Colborne, which as I have proven in other threads, is obviously incorrect.

In any case, my motivation is team success. That's why I am high on Baertschi.

And just as in this case of building for the future, I am motivated by team success. So as you will understand, I have never swayed in my opinion. One thought does not contradict the other.

In fairness, it was more like you predicted Sven wouldn't get the same treatment as Colborne when he is waiver eligible (and then pissed and moaned about it). Notwithstanding differences in team makeup from last year to next year.

I don't think anyone said what Sven had "proven" versus Colborne - they said Colborne's been better this year and plays a different, more versatile game. As for what you "proved" in other threads, if it makes you happy to think you did, go for it.

Finally, to avoid potential snarky responses, I'd probably not refer to being high on anything.

Bar-Down · 02-25-2015, 12:27 PM

One of the only players that I would give up anything remotely substantial for (that is rumoured to be available) is Oliver Ekman-Larrson.

Adding a young stud d-man on the back end would be huge for this team now and for the next 10 years.

Gio-Brodie
OEK-Russell
Wideman-Smid

Other than that, I hope we can trade Glenny for a pick or defensive prospect and stay the course.

442scotty · 02-25-2015, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Who's even on the block with a big contract? Kessel?

Im ok with that...

Vinny01 · 02-25-2015, 12:36 PM

Kypreos seems a bit out to lunch with the money in and money out statement. The flames have stated they will spend to the cap. Likely if we take a garbage contract we want an asset and to move a slightly less junk deal. Richards for instance likely we want to move Stajan in that deal. Wiznewski we would want to move Smid/Engellend etc.

Badgers Nose · 02-25-2015, 12:57 PM

To Leafs:
CGY 1st in 2015
Sven Baertchi
Mason Raymond

To Flames
Phil Kessel
TOR 3rd in 2015

I make that trade.

sureLoss · 02-25-2015, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

To Leafs:
CGY 1st in 2015
Sven Baertchi
Mason Raymond

To Flames
Phil Kessel
TOR 3rd in 2015

I make that trade.

Flames 1st should be untouchable.

GreenLantern · 02-25-2015, 01:03 PM

This team is not yet in a position where they can sluff of 1st round picks for help now.

edit: beat to it by sureLoss. Story of my life.

Poe969 · 02-25-2015, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

To Leafs:
CGY 1st in 2015
Sven Baertchi
Mason Raymond

To Flames
Phil Kessel
TOR 3rd in 2015

I make that trade if I'm the leafs but it's a terrible trade for the Flames.

fyp. The leafs won't get that value for Kessel. I wouldn't mind him on the Flames but not at that price.

GioforPM · 02-25-2015, 01:07 PM

If we trade the first we'd better make the POs. I don't want that pick winning the lottery.

ComixZone · 02-25-2015, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Flames 1st should be untouchable.

Agreed. I'd be a bit more open to moving the 1st in 2016, but the deal as a whole has to make sense. Kessel is awfully tempting though.

Muta · 02-25-2015, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern

edit: beat to it by sureLoss. Story of my life.

It happens to the best of us, don't worry.

Igster · 02-25-2015, 01:09 PM

Why would the Leafs want Mason Raymond back? They could have signed him for free in the off season. And trading the Flames first? NO!

dammage79 · 02-25-2015, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Igster

Why would the Leafs want Mason Raymond back? They could have signed him for free in the off season. And trading the Flames first? NO!

They liked Raymond, couldn't come to terms with him due to cap space and requirements to use it elsewhere (Polak etc.)

What I am saying is, they reluctantly let Raymond go.

Still, that proposal is a non-starter when it comes to first round picks leaving the Flames' hands.