How long is the leash on Byron?

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by saillias

I wasn't trying to contradict you, just help emphasize the discrepancy in their pay.

Okay I am cool with it. Thanks for correcting it.

[Iggy Snipe]

Byron could literally have 20 goals this season if he could score on a Breakaway. It hurts the team too, because even though he is generating those chances, he is not doing anything with those chances.

With someone else taking his spot, that someone might insert some offence the Flames need, even though they may not get as many chances (breakaways) as Byron did, they may still score more or produce more. Byron is very fast and is a tenacious forechecker, but he lacks size to protect the puck down low, and he CANT FINISH.

He is still valuable to the team, but the little things he does right (pk, speed, etc) only goes so far until you contribute offensively.

[ramizle]

I believe that Jooris and Byron play a similar role and that Jooris is better at it. I believe it's time to pass on Byron and give another player a chance.

[Mister Yamoto]

The Flames are soft and not very good on the PK.

I think that the things Byron does well (hit, kill penalties) he doesn't even do well enough.

I just don't see an NHL player. This thread is a lot like the Chris Butler threads from last year.

[dino7c]

knee-jerk reactions all around

he slips that one in last night and he is the big hero...now blaming the poor PK on him too lol

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by Iggy Snipe

With someone else taking his spot, that someone might insert some offence the Flames need, even though they may not get as many chances (breakaways) as Byron did, they may still score more or produce more. Byron is very fast and is a tenacious forechecker, but he lacks size to protect the puck down low, and he CANT FINISH.

Lots of if's there...

[Vulcan]

I'll be glad when someone can take his spot and he becomes the 13th forward.

[Anduril]

As a bottom 6 guy, I look to them to occasionally chip in offensively, be solid defensively and generate momentum for the team. Offense? Very little to no results. Being solid defensively? I think it's a fair point that while Byron is relied on in our PK, since the PK itself hasn't been great, that's not exactly a shining point. However being solid defensively doesn't necessarily equate only to solid PK or being good in their own zone.

If Byron is able to continually generate chances, spend most of his shifts in the offensive zone then that's a huge win by itself in terms of defense. That also adds to the momentum moving in the team's favor and that's a part that I feel like Byron has done generally well with. Somebody will have to dig up the actual stats on whether my 'feelings' are accurate.

That all being said, it's hard not to ask Byron for more because if we want to be a contending team then all the players need to be better as a whole. Do I want Byron as a 3rd/4th liner in a playoff series? Probably not. Not until he shows me that he should be and can regularly be.

[chubeyr1]

Byron is a tweener. 29 teams could of signed him, some tried to. All 2 way contracts, Calgary offered a one way contract. He is great insurance.

I love and hate Paul Byron. He is just what we need, and he needs to be replaced. Bennett and Poirier waiting in the wings. Upside galore, neither can probably play D like Byron can. You cant replace experience.

Byron is a fantastic place holder for future prospects. Guys will have to outwork him to get a shot. That is so cool too. Young guys are gonna have to bust there butt to make the team. They are more skilled for sure, but to be an nhl player effort will have to be involved. Wont get more effort from many other players more than what Byron provides.

I love Byron, and want him replaced as soon as possible lol. I mean that in a good way. If prospects are making Byron a healthy scratch its a good thing.

Byron as a 13th forward or an injury call up is an amazing asset to have. He is underrated really. Does Byron out perform other players on the team? Players with money and term on their contract. He does. Its not fair, that's life.

I want Byron gone off this team. Understand though, I want some one who is better than he is, I think we have that too in our prospects. Yet I want those prospects to earn the job.

[868904]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

Similar to the cat and fox story in Aesop's fables, I think he should focus on 1 move or 2 very different moves and master those rather than have 10 moves and never knowing which one to use.

He's not going from hands of stone to hands of gold.
Him mastering the Datsyuk would be something to behold.

How many moves does he have? All I see is one, the deke and five hole, it never works.

He needs to stop going for that and just fire low blocker side.

Same with Gaudreau, stop trying for the five hole.

NHL goalies are too good for the five hole.

[Hackey]

Honestly don't see Byron as a long term player on the team. More like a Dustin Boyd type that won't stick.

[remember2004]

I think until he stops working as hard as he does... I've said it before, he's one of the hardest working Flames but if he can't finish he can be replaceable.

[remember2004]

Originally Posted by 868904

How many moves does he have? All I see is one, the deke and five hole, it never works.

He needs to stop going for that and just fire low blocker side.

Same with Gaudreau, stop trying for the five hole.

NHL goalies are too good for the five hole.

Well... Unless your Luongo

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Iggy Snipe

Byron could literally have 20 goals this season if he could score on a Breakaway. It hurts the team too, because even though he is generating those chances, he is not doing anything with those chances.

With someone else taking his spot, that someone might insert some offence the Flames need, even though they may not get as many chances (breakaways) as Byron did, they may still score more or produce more. Byron is very fast and is a tenacious forechecker, but he lacks size to protect the puck down low, and he CANT FINISH.

He is still valuable to the team, but the little things he does right (pk, speed, etc) only goes so far until you contribute offensively.

It hurts the team?

I have one simple question (not just to the poster I quoted but to everyone):

Which Flames have scored more goals on breakaways this year than Byron? Please list.

(hint: I believe Gaudreau has one breakaway goal - so tied with Byron)

[Rerun]

The solution to Byron's problem is to skate slower.

Skating slower will result in fewer break aways and less flack from CP Paul Byron haters.

[Iggy Snipe]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It hurts the team?

I have one simple question (not just to the poster I quoted but to everyone):

Which Flames have scored more goals on breakaways this year than Byron? Please list.

(hint: I believe Gaudreau has one breakaway goal - so tied with Byron)

Its not just about the breakaways. Its about producing offensively. Like I said, getting chances only goes so far. We need players who can put the puck in the net. I like Byron and like his effort every night, but he isn't scoring. The Flames need goals. You can defend him all you want, but he isn't scoring. He helps the team in other ways, but that too will only go so far until he is cut loose.

Personally, I hope Byron starts lighting it up.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Iggy Snipe

Its not just about the breakaways. Its about producing offensively. Like I said, getting chances only goes so far. We need players who can put the puck in the net. I like Byron and like his effort every night, but he isn't scoring. The Flames need goals. You can defend him all you want, but he isn't scoring. He helps the team in other ways, but that too will only go so far until he is cut loose.

Personally, I hope Byron starts lighting it up.

How many 4th line players in the NHL score or get many points? Without looking it up I would think he is slightly ahead of the other 4th liners in the league. At least on par with them.

[Iggy Snipe]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

Lots of if's there...

Exactly. Maybe we take a chance on someone else after this season if Byron cant put up numbers. They certainly wont produce any less goals. We need a player in his role getting 15 goals per season.

To me, if Byron scored more often, he could get a breakaway a game and not score on any of them and it would not matter. Its the fact that he doesn't score enough period, breakaway or not.

The guy has a ton of energy and a ton of speed, but unless that turns into some sort of offence, the Flames will eventually cut him loose and try someone else. You never know until you put a player out there, and give him a solid chance.

I would love to see Byron start producing, and stick around forever. Sometimes it doesn't work out.

[Iggy Snipe]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

How many 4th line players in the NHL score or get many points? Without looking it up I would think he is slightly ahead of the other 4th liners in the league. At least on par with them.

Is that why we have Paul Byron, to be a fourth liner? Usually 4th liners don't weight 155 pounds. You cant label him as a fourth liner anyways, he has been seen playing on all different lines through out the season. He has even got PP time sometimes.

If we are going to sit here and compare him to fourth liners and say ok, he is as good as a Tim Jackman offensively, then fine. He is doing great, and the Flames don't need anything else from him.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It hurts the team?

I have one simple question (not just to the poster I quoted but to everyone):

Which Flames have scored more goals on breakaways this year than Byron? Please list.

(hint: I believe Gaudreau has one breakaway goal - so tied with Byron)

I thought Jooris had a couple to start the year but I could be wrong.