[Trade] Oilers trade Mark Arcobello to Nashville for Derek Roy

[Matty81]

I think they did OK. Roy didn't get much ice this year, he's not great but he's better than Arcobello who is a one way player who scores at about 0.3 PPG - terrible. Also I think they got a decent upgrade at winger.

Now they just need 4 top four defencemen, a starting goalie, a top two centre and to jettison 3 or 4 dressing room cancers on monster contracts. Start saving for playoff tickets Edmonton

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

They needed to shed a contract to keep a spot for ncaa signings or trades

Yes, that seems to be the current speculation and I guess we'll wait and see if any of those signings actually come to fruition.

[Rerun]

From the other site...

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1802805

Elliotte Friedman ✔ @FriedgeHNIC
EDM would make the trade instead of waivers to keep them away from 50 contracts.

Jason Gregor @JasonGregor Follow
@FriedgeHNIC thought the same but by my count they only have 46 contracts. Maybe planning a 3 or 4 for 1 trade...

The Mayor John Hoven @mayorNHL Follow
Forget their minor trade. There is (allegedly) much bigger news going on in Oil Country.

Sorry ... don't know how to post tweets....

[pylon]

Thoughts and Prayers to Derek Roy.

There is only one possible downgrade available from Buffalo, and he got it. This is like finding out you knocked up a girl on a one night stand, then afterwards getting the call that she had a herpes outbreak too.

[Walter Reed]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Aren't there rules regarding trading a player claimed on waivers? This could be a reason to go the trade route. Even up on contracts, and the flexibility to move him at the deadline if he shows something.

One of Edmonton's local media said that was the rational, Roy can now be traded at the deadline. Claiming him on waivers would negate that possibility.

[Hackey]

There are a number of legitimate reasons why a trade makes more sense than waivers but of course there are always those posters who whine about absolutely every move the Oilers make or don't make and want to call it tanking.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Hackey

There are a number of legitimate reasons why a trade makes more sense than waivers but of course there are always those posters who whine about absolutely every move the Oilers make or don't make and want to call it tanking.

There are a number of legitimate questions regarding the move, and those are being discussed. Who, other than you, is whining?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Rerun

From the other site...

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1802805




Sorry ... don't know how to post tweets....

Lowe has made that roster swap he was heading about at the news conference

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Rerun

From the other site...

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1802805




Sorry ... don't know how to post tweets....

John Hoven was referring to the alleged rumor that Marc Spector had his media credentials revoked as the potential bigger story.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by keratosis

Give up a young not so good center, for a pretty much done, not so good center. Hmmmmmmm.
What would you call it?

I'd call it a mix of desperation and incompetence.

[JohnnySkittles]

Tank? No. Edmonton doesn't tank, they just ####ing suck.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by the2bears

There are a number of legitimate questions regarding the move, and those are being discussed. Who, other than you, is whining?

What are these questions and are any of them based in fact? Because things like max contracts or ability to trade the player are. Your personal conspiracy doesn't really mean much since there is a major bias when it comes to the Oilers.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Hackey

What are these questions and are any of them based in fact? Because things like max contracts or ability to trade the player are. Your personal conspiracy doesn't really mean much since there is a major bias when it comes to the Oilers.

Fact: The Oilers are only at 47 contracts. If they wanted three contracts open for whatever reason, they could have picked up Roy on waivers and kept Arcobello, which would have filled a need by giving them one more NHL centre. Instead they picked up Matt Fraser and swapped centres, which gives them an extra winger.

If the Oilers are so keen to keep contracts open, why did they waste one on a winger that they did not need?

Fact: You can trade a player acquired on waivers. Any other team that put in a waiver claim must be allowed to claim him before the trade takes place. If no other team made a claim, then you can go right ahead and trade him as you wish.

Fact: If you acquire a player on waivers and later lose him on waivers, you have lost nothing except the waiver fee. If you don’t lose him on waivers, whatever assets you get by trading him are pure gain.

Fact: If you acquire a player in a trade and then trade him again, the assets you bring in must be considered against the assets you traded to acquire him. The transaction is not a pure gain.

Fact: Roy is an aging player who has virtually stopped scoring in the past year or so. He is not widely regarded as a player who brings much to the game when he is not scoring, so unless he can regain his scoring touch at his age, he is unlikely to be a tradable asset.

In the finish, it’s highly likely that the Oilers will have traded Arcobello for nothing but a rental. Trading assets for rentals when you are mired in 30th place overall is not a very intelligent strategy.

Oh, and one more fact: The Oilers are no good. It’s rather hard to have a major bias against them when they are already the worst team in the league by a significant margin.

[Hackey]

Exactly. They are the worst team in the league. To think that the sole motivation behind this move is to make them worse is just dumb.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Exactly. They are the worst team in the league.

Which does not make this claim true:

Originally Posted by Hackey

There are a number of legitimate reasons why a trade makes more sense than waivers

The Oilers have actually made themselves marginally worse by bungling a pair of transactions in which they could have made themselves slightly better. I grant you, it’s probably sheer stupidity rather than tanking, but that doesn’t mean that these were rational moves to make.

The whole thing reminds me of the flea circus that was the Jokinen–Kotalik trade; except that these are smaller fleas. I look at the net effect of the transactions and the only thing I can think is, ‘What are these guys smoking?’

[Daradon]

Well, whether one believes the Oilers are tanking or not, this deal doesn't really add to the discussion. It's messing around with the fourth line in a deal that doesn't matter. Arco wasn't going to get them to 29th. Putting it another way, the Oilers already had 30th wrapped up. Tank job, or stupidity (and probably copious amounts of both) they didn't need to do this to finish last.

It does however look like another dumb management move. How has MacTavish not been checked for signs of mental illness or stroke? The Oilers are literally doing everything wrong. It's quite amazing really. Much like a 10 game winning streak, or Detroit's continued dominance is so rare it's special, to be bad this long, to do everything wrong for so long, is nothing short of amazing. You'd think they'd get one right just from luck of the draw or odds or something.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Daradon

How has MacTavish not been checked for signs of mental illness or stroke?

Come on man, we're better than this.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Which does not make this claim true:



The Oilers have actually made themselves marginally worse by bungling a pair of transactions in which they could have made themselves slightly better. I grant you, it’s probably sheer stupidity rather than tanking, but that doesn’t mean that these were rational moves to make. I think we're making something out of nothing here. Oilers literally can't do anything without the conspiracy theorists trying to find a way to turn it into a tanking scandal.

The whole thing reminds me of the flea circus that was the Jokinen–Kotalik trade; except that these are smaller fleas. I look at the net effect of the transactions and the only thing I can think is, ‘What are these guys smoking?’

Apparently you know the impact of these moves before they even take place. The CP psychic. They added crap they lost crap. Their the worst team in the league already. Oh no they lost Arcobello. Could you imagine how much better they would be if they kept him. Slick move by Mac T. He obviously is trying to get fired and never hired again.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by New Era

Come on man, we're better than this.

You are right. I apologize to all those with mental illness for mentioning them in the same sentance as Craig MacTavish. Not cool, my bad.

[indes]

I think my favorite part is that Nashville got Arcobello for someone they were prepared to let go for nothing. Any other team gets Roy for a 6th/7th.