[Rumour] Friedman: Flames looking at Chris Stewart

[Hackey]

Stewart has had the same reputation everywhere he has gone. Seems pretty risky.

[sureLoss]

from Friedman on Sportsnet 960 this morning:

Elliotte Friedman was on Calgary’s Sportsnet 960 on Monday morning.

On the NHL trade scene:

“I found out on Saturday afternoon that the Flames had kicked tires on Chris Stewart... I’ve heard it had kind of moved to the background there, but I’ve heard the price would not be a lot. Not anything that Calgary would be concerned about that would be giving up a major piece of the future.

“Chris Stewart, for everything about him, he’s a right-hand shot, he can be a power player. He absolutely needs to get out of Buffalo. It’s not working for him. And I think the Flames kind of looked at it and said, ‘Is this something we could use right now?’ But it doesn’t appear as if it’s on the front-burner. But they had looked into it reasonably seriously from what I understand.

Also:

“From what I understood, one of the reasons the Flames were considering it was I don’t think Buffalo was going to ask them to give up anything that they were going to look at and say, ‘We shouldn’t do this.’ I heard it was like a B-level prospect and potentially... an AHL player.

“The Buffalo American Hockey League team in Rochester, I think they’ve won something like four of their past 18 games, so I think as much as anything they want to help them out a bit too.”

[GioforPM]

"I heard it was like a B-level prospect and potentially... an AHL player."Setoguchi and Reinhart?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Wow, Murray just asks for the craziest offers. A B-level prospect for Stewart?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Wow, Murray just asks for the craziest offers. A B-level prospect for Stewart?

Stewart may have close to negative value.

At this point, probably the most valuable thing about him is the risk vs. reward of him being a UFA.

Ie. if it doesn't work out, you only have to deal with him for 50 or so games.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Stewart may have close to negative value.

At this point, probably the most valuable thing about him is the risk vs. reward of him being a UFA.

Ie. if it doesn't work out, you only have to deal with him for 50 or so games.

Stewart has percieved negative value due to his reputation of being a lazy player. However, if anyone could break him out of that mentality, it's Hartley. The fact that they kicked tires on Stewart to some degree of seriousness means that Flames management has enough faith in the coach to bring that out of him - the '1st' Chris Stewart that Calgary4Life described. We could have another big body winger if Stewart puts the work in and buys into Calgary's culture - kinda like how Chris Simon did pretty well with us back in '04.

If Buffalo wants a B-level prospect and an AHL player, I'd give them Reinhart (B-level prospect) and Ramage(AHL player) for impending UFA Stewart and a mid round pick.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

If Buffalo wants a B-level prospect and an AHL player, I'd give them Reinhart (B-level prospect) and Ramage(AHL player) for impending UFA Stewart and a mid round pick.

If Buffalo gets Reinhart, I sure hope we are getting Pysyk back in return.

Reinhart + roster player for Stewart + Pysyk.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Stewart has percieved negative value due to his reputation of being a lazy player. However, if anyone could break him out of that mentality, it's Hartley. The fact that they kicked tires on Stewart to some degree of seriousness means that Flames management has enough faith in the coach to bring that out of him - the '1st' Chris Stewart that Calgary4Life described. We could have another big body winger if Stewart puts the work in and buys into Calgary's culture - kinda like how Chris Simon did pretty well with us back in '04.

If Buffalo wants a B-level prospect and an AHL player, I'd give them Reinhart (B-level prospect) and Ramage(AHL player) for impending UFA Stewart and a mid round pick.

You can only judge based on players who had poor effort before and improved or conversely, players whose effort isn't improving or getting worse. Otherwise you are giving the coach credit for players' own self-motivation (I think Jooris is a self-motivator for example). Hartley did OK with Sven on effort. Setoguchi seemed to have effort under Hartley where he didn't last year (but to no avail). But Bollig's effort hasn't been good IMO.

Stewart is a tad old for my taste if he is supposed to be a long term guy. And I don't really care for a rental this year.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

If you don't ask you don't get

That’s true. Can I have your car?

[CalgaryFan1988]

I'm sure nobody here would have any issues in trading someone like Cundari and Setoguchi.

I wouldn't give much more than that (i know it's virtually nothing). That would help out their farm team and free up a roster spot on our end.

[Ashasx]

Cundari isn't a B-level prospect.

Wotherspoon is a B-level prospect.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Cundari isn't a B-level prospect.

Wotherspoon is a B-level prospect.

Is there an official grading system somewhere that defines what the term ‘B-level prospect’ means?

Or is it one of these daft terms that people throw around to give their statements a spurious air of precision, when they’re actually just pulling stuff out of their backsides?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Is there an official grading system somewhere that defines what the term ‘B-level prospect’ means?

Or is it one of these daft terms that people throw around to give their statements a spurious air of precision, when they’re actually just pulling stuff out of their backsides?

If Wotherspoon isn't a B-level prospect, are you telling me he's an A-level prospect?

Gaudreau was an A-level prospect. Bennett is an A-level prospect.

Cundari is a D-level prospect at best.

Perhaps Friedman didn't put much thought in the letter grade he mentioned, but I certainly wouldn't give up a B-level prospect for Chris Stewart.

[GioforPM]

This lists rankings by this site anyway:

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/playerprojections/

mind you, when you match letter grades with players it seems a tad .... parsimonious

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect-rankings/

[Ashasx]

HF uses letter grades as an evaluation of likelihood of the prospect to reach the potential of their numerical grade.

It's a unique method of ranking prospects and probably not what Friedman meant.

[GioforPM]

Probably Freidman meant central scouting's type of ranking, which means a B level is 2nd or 3rd rounder.

[Ashasx]

That's a fine interpretation, but I also think that is too much to give up for Stewart. His value should be akin to swapping contracts.

Like Setoguchi for Stewart. Any other pieces don't make sense.

[automaton 3]

Would be interesting to know which players were actually discussed, I just don't see much value in Stewart at this point.

[Bourque's Twin]

Buffalo doesn't need cap space, and Stewart is a UFA after this year, so swapping contracts only make sense if they get an upgrade at a position. Setoguchi wouldn't do that.

The Flames would have to give up a prospect in order to acquire Stewart, and that wouldn't make sense from the Flames point of view unless they see this prospect as having a low chance at making the NHL.

I wouldn't trade any of our Goalie or Defense prospects for Stewart.

Trading Max Reinhart as part of a package may make sense, but straight-up for Stewart is a terrible idea. Even though our C depth is big, Reinhart could be used as a piece in a better trade or even converted into a 3rd/4th line winger who could play in the NHL.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

This lists rankings by this site anyway:

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/playerprojections/

mind you, when you match letter grades with players it seems a tad .... parsimonious

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect-rankings/

Thanked for excellent vocabulary.

IMHO:

A level prospects: Bennett. (Both Gaudreau and Monahan were A level as well, I suppose you could argue JG is still a prospect but in my mind he's proven he's an NHLer already).

B level: Wotherspoon, Poirier, Granlund, Baertschi, Jooris, Ferland.

Everyone else is below.

If they're looking for a B level for Stewart I would think that we'd have to trade one of those 6 guys which would suck and therefore let's not do it. X factor is the Reinhart connection.

Bottom line: only deal I would look at would be something like Reinhart + Seto for Stewart (max).