[PGT] Flames fall to TB 5-2

[Ozy_Flame]

Got about 10 people on my Ignore list, keeps the banter down. However, it was mostly due from unpalatable right-wing politics in the the Off Topic threads. I'm sure their hockey analysis is more balanced

Anyways, the game was a huge brain fart for the Flames. I hope they can regroup, lick their wounds and beat the tar out of the Panthers on Saturday. Sven didn't look too bad today either.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by New Era

There are quite a few people that badly want Baertschi to succeed and they will point out the simplest thing he does as being good. That's fine, but it doesn't mean he performed well in context. Sven's problem is he doesn't do those good things every shift, so having a good first period doesn't mean a hill of beans if he doesn't follow it up with a good second and a good third. You have to weigh performance as a whole, not just snippets here and there. Was there minor improvement? Yeah, he showed more jump in the first few shifts. Was it enough to call it a good performance? No, because he couldn't follow up those shifts when given opportunity down the line. The most important thing for Baertschi is to go out and play like his hair is on fire every time his name is called. Didn't happen tonight, no matter how badly you want to believe it did.

There are quite a few looking for him not to success any are willing to discredit any accomplishment that he makes. I can't think of a single shift where he wasn't at least decent.

He didn't play bad in the last half. He didn't play. The coaching staff start to roll two lines to try and catch up. Bollig, Bouma, Jones, and Granlund stopped seeing any ice time. Setoguchi as well for a lot of five on five.

The fact that you are trying to paint a picture of Baertschi playing poor hockey and earning a benching speaks to your objectivity. Not to ours. It has nothing to do with pyrotechnics. That is just silly.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

No need to get frustrated... we're all here to enjoy hockey as a hockey fan

I'll be fine tomorrow.

I honestly try to be as neutral as possible and look at things objectively, Ron McLean-like. Sometimes I encounter Don Cherry on a grumpy day and I have to fight back. Won't happen again for a long, long time. Sorry.

[Phanuthier]

Great... so back on track, is Monahan and Giordano awesome or what?

loss aside, of coarse... this team is going to lose a lot of games this year, i guess this is one of them. sucks cause I hate Tampa

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I have rarely used it. I don't like to because I want to hope that reason and rational discussion will win out in the end.

Unfortunately today forced me to use it more than I wanted to. I feel like Leslie Knope in Pawnee.

Use it more often then.
We have the feature for a reason - so threads don't get gummed up with this junk. I don't think many people care to read a lot of what is in this thread tonight.

At some point - it would be great if someone could take the high road so these arguments (a flattering description frankly) stop sooner.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Use it more often then.
We have the feature for a reason - so threads don't get gummed up with this junk. I don't think many people care to read a lot of what is in this thread tonight.

At some point - it would be great if someone could take the high road so these arguments (a flattering description frankly) stop sooner.

I honestly tried, but I will try harder going forward. Sorry again.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by kehatch

There are quite a few looking for him not to success any are willing to discredit any accomplishment that he makes. I can't think of a single shift where he wasn't at least decent.

He didn't play bad in the last half. He didn't play. The coaching staff start to roll two lines to try and catch up. Bollig, Bouma, Jones, and Granlund stopped seeing any ice time. Setoguchi as well for a lot of five on five.

The fact that you are trying to paint a picture of Baertschi playing poor hockey and earning a benching speaks to your objectivity. Not to ours. It has nothing to do with pyrotechnics. That is just silly.

The coaching staff of the hockey club seem to agree with my assessment, and that is all that really matters. Continue trying to argue otherwise, but the guys who control the lines and playing time see the game the same way I do and prove it by who they give that ice time to.

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Great... so back on track, is Monahan and Giordano awesome or what?

Yup, but not a patch in the ass to the TJ Brodie kid!

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by kehatch

There are quite a few looking for him not to success any are willing to discredit any accomplishment that he makes. I can't think of a single shift where he wasn't at least decent.

He didn't play bad in the last half. He didn't play. The coaching staff start to roll two lines to try and catch up. Bollig, Bouma, Jones, and Granlund stopped seeing any ice time. Setoguchi as well for a lot of five on five.

The fact that you are trying to paint a picture of Baertschi playing poor hockey and earning a benching speaks to your objectivity. Not to ours. It has nothing to do with pyrotechnics. That is just silly.

Nobody who is a Flames fan is looking for that. There is not a single logical reason that anyone cheering for this team would want that, so no.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by New Era

The coaching staff of the hockey club seem to agree with my assessment, and that is all that really matters. Continue trying to argue otherwise, but the guys who control the lines and playing time see the game the same way I do and prove it by who they give that ice time to.



Yup, but not a patch in the ass to the TJ Brodie kid!

Sometimes players play well. Sometimes players don't play well. But the coaching staff knows what they are doing 100% of the time.

[Arya Stark]

Anton Stralman is a +15

Next best Tampa D-man is +3.

[1stLand]

how long before Setogouchi gets sent down to abbotsford?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

how long before Setogouchi gets sent down to abbotsford?

Setoguchi is getting the last year's Colborne treatment. Sucking his way to more minutes.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by nik-

Setoguchi is getting the last year's Colborne treatment. Sucking his way to more minutes.

Hope it renders the same results it did with Colborne, that would be nice.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

how long before Setogouchi gets sent down to abbotsford?

Quite a while I think. Once we start to get our senior guys back, Ferland, Sven(swap those 2 around perhaps in order of demotion) and then Granlund if his productivity drops will all go back to Addy before Devon does. If Jooris sees his play drop off(will have to drop off a fair bit), he might even be 4th in line for a demotion. For me, Setoguchi should be at the head of the queue, but if we're being realistic, there are 2 easy options, maybe even a 3rd, before the coaches start looking at Setoguchi as the player that goes down.

Remember we only have 4 forwards to return. Raymond in for Ferland, Backlund in for Sven. Then it gets tricky. Depends on the coaches perspectives of Granlund and how he's doing. Once Backlund and Colborne return, do we need Granlund in the roster unless he is piling up the points or playing lights out hockey?

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Blind Homer Love was the name of my band in College.

I had a very similar band name...

[GioforPM]

I thought the first two periods were decent, but TB was just slightly better. Obviously real sloppy in the 3rd. Wideman's 1st two periods were good, his last terrible. Russell wasn't good - too risky. Sven had more energy but shied away from contact - the most obvious example being the icing in the first that everyone noticed. However, that line was better overall, especially Setoguchi FWIW. I thought Monahan was really good. Granlund was OK. JG was OK.

I think TB was very prepared for the Flames - watched film on the PP especially, but also on Calgary's breakout which has been good lately.

[Simon96Taco]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Flames looked gassed, good effort until the middle of the third. Bishop is a good goalie.

I thought the first half of the third was the worst 10 minutes of the season, and that they improved in the second half of that period.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Nobody who is a Flames fan is looking for that. There is not a single logical reason that anyone cheering for this team would want that, so no.

I think that there are times when people will take a strong, vocal stance on an issue that they have to defend at the outset. From that point on, they'll watch games looking for examples that back up the opinion they voiced. It's called confirmation bias, and it's a well documented phenomenon.

They then get in more arguments, entrenching their position, making them even more eager to find support.

In this way, even if they're fans of a team, they can work their way into a position where it's more satisfying to them for a player to fail.

Couple that with an inability to let contrary opinions go by without comment, and a once well meaning fan ends up clogging threads and looking like a troll.

[Trailer Fire]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

I had a very similar band name...

That one took me a minute to get. I had to cone back into the thread to thank it once it dawned on me.

[GioforPM]

The people complaining about Seto's PP time might consider how good the PP was tonight. It only got one goal but it was dangerous every time.

The other thing (which I keep mentioning) is that he plays a specific part on that unit. He goes behind the net and into the corner for the puck, and then goes to the front of the net. On the present roster, only a couple other guys do that, and they aren't Sven. Jooris maybe.