Renaming the thread since "troubles" is probably the wrong word.
Someone said his pp average ice time has been decent but that's only because he got a lot of it the first 2 games. The last 2 was something like 0:00 and 0:37.
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0:37 last game. The Flames had three powerplays.
2:06 in St. Louis. The Flames had six powerplays.
He was #5 among forwards in game three, and #9 in Nashville in powerplay time. So clearly his 5-on-4 ice time was reduced last night from the previous three games, but I wouldn't say that there is anything to suggest a pattern of reduction. Some of this might also just be in-game situations, or things that the coaches are seeing in the moment.
And maybe the next two he'll get more? Or maybe he won't get more until we're at home and Hartley has more control over matchups?
PP time as a specific complaint seemed strange to me, which I why I included the actual ice-time numbers.
One thing i don't understand is why not play Gaudreau in more 4 on 4 situations? having that extra time and space could be a world of difference for him and help him gain some confidence.
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One thing i don't understand is why not play Gaudreau in more 4 on 4 situations? having that extra time and space could be a world of difference for him and help him gain some confidence.
Don't worry. I've been told that the Flames have a plan for Johnny. Apparently its not all about giving Gaudreau a better chance at scoring goals, in the short term.
Take it slow. It's tough for young players to play on the road. This 6 game road trip will be a struggle but it's a good learning experience and he'll be more comfortable when the Flames come back home.
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One thing i don't understand is why not play Gaudreau in more 4 on 4 situations? having that extra time and space could be a world of difference for him and help him gain some confidence.
What a number of people don't seem to understand is that the Flames have more to worry about than just how they can help Gaudreau generate more offence. At the end of the day he is but one of 23 guys on this roster. Adjustment, long road trip, the inability to get good matchups—there are potentially lots of reasons why he is not playing in more of the (relatively rare) 4-on-4 situations. It doesn't strike me as terrible odd or at all troublesome at this point in the season.
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Don't worry. I've been told that the Flames have a plan for Johnny. Apparently its not all about giving Gaudreau a better chance at scoring goals, in the short term.
So how exactly does playing 4 on 4 take away from this grand plan you've be enlightened with? Unlike playing on the PP, which Gaudreu has done, Playing 4 on 4 is not about scoring goals. It's about gaining confidence and an understating that he can play at this level. having more room and time would help with this.
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What a number of people don't seem to understand is that the Flames have more to worry about than just how they can help Gaudreau generate more offence. At the end of the day he is but one of 23 guys on this roster. Adjustment, long road trip, the inability to get good matchups—there are potentially lots of reasons why he is not playing in more of the (relatively rare) 4-on-4 situations. It doesn't strike me as terrible odd or at all troublesome at this point in the season.
The entire overtime last night was 4 on 4. he didn't play a single second. Isn't it in the teams best interest to expose him to situations in which he's likely to succeed?
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Don't worry. I've been told that the Flames have a plan for Johnny. Apparently its not all about giving Gaudreau a better chance at scoring goals, in the short term.
Can you explain a bit further? Not doubting you but a bit curious on your view.
Johnny looked good tonight. Don't understand his benching at the end of the 3rd and OT at all, i thought he had a much better game than both Raymond and Seto.
Time for Hartley to trust him and play him more, and please get him away from puck hog Joe.
If after 4/5 games of NHL hockey, anyone who has any concerns in regards to "how Gaudreau is progressing" or any concerns around "how the Flames are developing him or using him" simply enjoys stirring up #### or loves to worry themselves needlessly.
I'm sure anyone who is worried about it was in the freak out camp during pre season convinced the Flames brass and coaches would unfairly shun Gaudreau and send him to the minors to "ruin him" (motive for such behaviour never established or logically presented). Now he's on the team, the usual suspects looking for any reason to complain have already decided after 4 games that our young rookie is not being fairly treated in regards to ice time, playing partners blah blah. Really all these people are are folks that hate the coach, or hate Burke, or both and just perennially look for reasons to be unhappy because if they were happy they might have to change their polarizes opinions about the coach or management. So desperate to prove their opinions right that they simply move from one argument to the next as their previous prediction on how the team would "ruin" Gardreau don't come true and they search even harder with their magnifying glass for something to cling to to support their baseless arguments.
Or the only other reason they have concern is because they have no patience and expect way too much from Johnny way to quickly.
Either way, it's a ridiculous thing to "bring up" as conversation at this point. It would be like stopping a movie after the opening credits to discuss how much you liked the film.
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Gaudreau had a great game in his limited time against one of the best teams in the league.
Everyone wants to see more of him, but a tight one goal game against one of the best teams in the league isn't the best place to let him run with it. One mistake and we lose that game and if it came off his stick that's a huge blow to a guy trying to find his confidence.
Plus, he's still new to the NHL and played last night.
Absolutely nothing to worry about. Much ado about nothing all over the place. He needs more time to adjust and tonight wasn't the night.
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Great effort again by Johnny tonight. Played a solid 200 foot game again, got a + again (I actually think he thought he got a bit of that wideman shot when he did the fistpump) And while not putting up points gave us some pretty solid chances in a game where we didn't have many up until the final 5 minutes of the third. If/when he learns to get into the same positions as Byron seems to be finding I think he will bury some of those chances. Give him time, he's playing solid hockey IMO.
I noticed too that he sat the final 10 minutes or so against the Blues, played his last shift against Nashville at 8 minutes and tonight finished his last shift at just after 6:00 minutes left. Seems to me like Hartely is easing him in, his final 3 shifts tonight were great too, I think he's a different player when he comes home from this trip.
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Johnny looked good tonight. Don't understand his benching at the end of the 3rd and OT at all, i thought he had a much better game than both Raymond and Seto.
Time for Hartley to trust him and play him more, and please get him away from puck hog Joe.
They were being out shot 50-18, on the road, in the 2nd of back to backs, against the Blackhawks. You absolutely staple your rookie in his 5th NHL game to the bench. He's not going to block a shot, and you can't ask him to guard any of Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Richards, Saad, Shaw.
Now if they had gotten a PP in overtime, send him over the boards. In that situation, he can help. But putting Gaudreau on at even strength in this game would have been unfair to the player and the team.
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Last edited by GreenLantern2814; 10-16-2014 at 12:08 AM.
No need to question Hartley. The team wins a game against best odds.
Johnny has been unfortunate offensively but very good defensively which is the opposite of the situation of many rookies. His skills offensively can not be taught and Hartley has said as much.
Sit back and enjoy the ride, nobody on CP is enlightening the Flames brass on Gaudreau
Attempting to lump all posters into a single, organic entity is just as silly.
On every topic, there will always be a full distribution of views, from the most extreme on one side to the most extreme on the other.
Trying to piece together posts from different people and then judge them as a group seems kind of pointless to me.
Oh, and Gaudreau will be fine - it's 4 games
Wha? Where was I lumping all posters? I was talking about some very specific posters. I fully understand the wide spectrum of viewpoints here, weird takedown attempt.
Question, do you find no problem with people comparing Gaudreau to Gretzky or Kariya? My point was that talk like that unfairly builds expectations on a player who's clearly going to need seasoning.
