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Originally Posted by puckluck2
And who exactly is stating that religion is required to be a moral person? Nobody is, so stop twisting words or making up arguments to fit your agenda.
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Remedial English is down the hall on the right, troll. Did I say that? Nope. I said religion is not required for motivation to be a better person, which has nothing to do with being a 'moral' person (especially when considering morality in the twisted religious sense). He said this BS:
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Originally Posted by WCW Nitro
I think religion contributes many positives to society. When you look at the negative effects(both mental and physical) of alcoholism, pornography, extra-marital affairs,etc, why doesn't religion get the credit for prohibiting these things?
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...and that is where I am saying that religion isn't required to dissuade these things (some of them aren't necessary for us to dissuade), and therefore why should it get any credit?
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Originally Posted by WCW Nitro
Instead of coming up with snarky responses, if you actually take the time to read what I write it would be helpful. I said there are many reasons why some people consider pornography to be harmful (everything from depression to ruined marriages" doesn't mean these are the only 2) and Iceland chose to ban some forms of pornography and contemplating others.
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I read it and it's still rubbish. Your claims simply haven't been justified nor are they backed up by any evidence (and I even tried searching myself). So with no justification forthcoming, they can be discarded as quickly as they were asserted.
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Originally Posted by WCW Nitro
Whether you agree with their decision or not is irrelevant, they have decided that it is damaging to some. They didn't just come to the conclusion out of thin air. Also, if you don't think that religion has helped people fight off alcoholism or other evils, THAT is truly worth a laugh.
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Actually whether or not I agree with their decision is
all that matters in this instance because my whole point is that religion isn't responsible for anything positive that couldn't be accomplished without it. If I don't think it's positive and the evidence (or lack there of) shows their prohibition to be baseless, then it's not only relevant, it's a significant problem for your argument because it indicates that
what you're saying isn't compelling in the slightest.
I have never said I
hasn't helped people fight off alcoholism or other personal demons, only that it isn't required. Given the other awful things religion has brought us, I'd say that's the exception, not the rule.
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Originally Posted by WCW Nitro
Sure, for some I'm sure they refrain from some sins out of a fear of hell/eternal damnation. Just as some don't steal because they don't want to face the consequences of breaking the law rather than their inherent morality.
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Do you know what it's like to believe hell is a real thing? Especially for children? It's goddamned traumatizing. Some adults even have difficulty getting over it because it was rammed into their heads as children. Again, tantamount to child abuse.
Also, if the only reason someone is being a good person is because they're hedging their bets that a supposedly all-knowing God is too bloody stupid to see through their façade, then that's not a good reason.
