02-12-2014, 01:03 PM
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#101
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I think team Canada men's hockey is going to walk through this tournament.
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02-12-2014, 01:12 PM
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#102
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
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Originally Posted by Red John
Russia would be the smart bet to win the gold right now. Varlamov has been awesome all year long and you just know every advantage will be afforded to that team on home soil, whether its officiating or whatever.
One thing that may work against Canada this time around is the weak pool they are in. Historically they have done better facing adversity early on in the tournament, but at this rate they'll likely finish 1st in group B and not face a good team until the semis.
If you enjoy underdog betting, Finland at 12-1 is a nice choice.
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That was a nice dig by Selanne at the press conference too.
*Paraphrasing*
Reporter: "Everyone is saying that the Final is going to be Canada-Russia"
Selanne: "I hope I can get tickets to that game but we hope to be there."
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02-12-2014, 01:15 PM
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#103
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Originally Posted by Locke
Me too. I really wanted them to do well for Jagr's sake but the whole team is a massive joke.
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Naming Petr Nedved to the team, not naming Hudler to the team, not even dressing Pavelec against a powerhouse like Sweden, not giving Smid any ice time... It's like they don't want to win.
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02-12-2014, 01:19 PM
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#104
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Sweden
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Well that was an excellent first 24-25 minutes, then Z & Co. apparently decided to go and have a coffee. Nonetheless, nice to start with a win over the toughest opponent in the group.
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02-12-2014, 01:23 PM
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#105
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Originally Posted by Locke
That was a nice dig by Selanne at the press conference too.
*Paraphrasing*
Reporter: "Everyone is saying that the Final is going to be Canada-Russia"
Selanne: "I hope I can get tickets to that game but we hope to be there."
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Selanne is awesome, it'll be a sad day when he retires.
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02-12-2014, 01:24 PM
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#106
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Looking at the Czech boxscores, they dressed 8 d-men, benched two of them, played Milan Michalek and Hemsky 6 minutes and benched Hanzel. Didn't dress Pavelec.
Did I miss anything?
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02-12-2014, 01:32 PM
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#107
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Originally Posted by calumniate
Looking at the Czech boxscores, they dressed 8 d-men, benched two of them, played Milan Michalek and Hemsky 6 minutes and benched Hanzel. Didn't dress Pavelec.
Did I miss anything?
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Their head coach wore a Jester's cap for the entire game. Oh, and they didnt pull the goalie for an extra attacker at the end to try and win.
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02-12-2014, 01:37 PM
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#108
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Sweden
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If Eliteprospects/Wikipedia is to be believed this dude has been coaching the Czechs since 2006? And lead them to a bronze?
What the hell happened?
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02-12-2014, 01:41 PM
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#109
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Originally Posted by The Swedish Flame
If Eliteprospects/Wikipedia is to be believed this dude has been coaching the Czechs since 2006? And lead them to a bronze?
What the hell happened?
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Maybe he's developed "Oiler's Syndrome" and thinks there is some sort of Olympic entry draft?
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02-12-2014, 02:31 PM
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#110
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Originally Posted by codynw
Naming Petr Nedved to the team, not naming Hudler to the team, not even dressing Pavelec against a powerhouse like Sweden, not giving Smid any ice time... It's like they don't want to win.
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don't forget he named his son in law to the team
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02-12-2014, 03:19 PM
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#111
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Dec 2009
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Originally Posted by dino7c
rank them based on common sense, people who have money on the line rank them properly
anyway who cares, canada is going to kill either of those teams
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This.
This comment is why I don't like to see Canada win anything, can't stand the likes of you, arrogant and spoiled fans.
The ranking is based on earlier tournaments, and that is common sense.
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02-12-2014, 03:25 PM
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#112
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Locke
Oh, and they didnt pull the goalie for an extra attacker at the end to try and win.
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Everything else notwithstanding that wouldn't necessarily be a terrible move. Goal differential will almost certainly play a huge factor in the seeding of the teams. They might have forfeit their chance at claiming the division but they have a better chance at claiming that final bye with a score of 4-2 than if they let in an empty net goal for a final score of 5-2.
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02-12-2014, 03:26 PM
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#113
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by vilzeh
This.
This comment is why I don't like to see Canada win anything, can't stand the likes of you, arrogant and spoiled fans.
The ranking is based on earlier tournaments, and that is common sense.
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the rankings are correct, it's kind of funny that Canada still got a really easy group of it.
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02-12-2014, 03:57 PM
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#114
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If Canada is ranked 5th, who is the top seed in that group?
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02-12-2014, 04:02 PM
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
If Canada is ranked 5th, who is the top seed in that group?
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Finland is ranked 2nd.
The groups went like this
A: 1, 6, 7, 12
B: 2, 5, 8, 11
C: 3, 4, 9, 10
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02-12-2014, 04:11 PM
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#116
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Originally Posted by vilzeh
This.
This comment is why I don't like to see Canada win anything, can't stand the likes of you, arrogant and spoiled fans.
The ranking is based on earlier tournaments, and that is common sense.
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lol, based on earlier tournaments featuring other players
arrogant and spoiled? come on now...it doesn't take a genious to figure out Canada is not the 5th best team in this tourney.
Look at the vegas odds, guys with millions of dollars on the line and NOT CANADIANS. They all think Canada is the top team
By your logic we should rank NHL teams by how their AHL teams are doing
I know that is how they do it, all I'm saying is that its not accurate...works for us anyway since Canada has an easy group so please no crying when we dominate it
Last edited by dino7c; 02-12-2014 at 04:13 PM.
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02-12-2014, 04:21 PM
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#117
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by dino7c
lol, based on earlier tournaments featuring other players
arrogant and spoiled? come on now...it doesn't take a genious to figure out Canada is not the 5th best team in this tourney.
Look at the vegas odds, guys with millions of dollars on the line and NOT CANADIANS. They all think Canada is the top team
By your logic we should rank NHL teams by how their AHL teams are doing
I know that is how they do it, all I'm saying is that its not accurate...works for us anyway since Canada has an easy group so please no crying when we dominate it
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5th really isn't that much of a stretch. Canada could easily finish 5th.
1998:4th
2002: 1st
2006: 7th
2010: 1st
Is it 100% accurate? No. Is it the best way to do it? Yes.
People always spew that Canada doesn't have it's best teams at the World Championships, but forget that the other nations don't have all of their NHLers either so it is a level playing field in that regard.
Canada should actually be better off in that situation since we clearly have the best depth of any nation in the world.
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02-12-2014, 04:22 PM
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#118
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Canada ranked 5th?
Ha.. Let's see how that holds up this week.
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02-12-2014, 04:25 PM
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#119
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Yeah the pools are a little odd because of the wonky rankings. Finland's "reward" for being ranked #2 was getting Canada in their pool while #4 ranked Sweden got the Czech Republic, Switzerland, and Latvia. It probably would've been a bigger deal if Canada had slightly fewer points and ended up in 6th because it would've meant Russia, Canada, and the USA all in one pool.
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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
Everything else notwithstanding that wouldn't necessarily be a terrible move. Goal differential will almost certainly play a huge factor in the seeding of the teams. They might have forfeit their chance at claiming the division but they have a better chance at claiming that final bye with a score of 4-2 than if they let in an empty net goal for a final score of 5-2.
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Yeah, while goal differential will almost never matter in the pool standings (since head to head is the 1st tiebreaker and there are no ties), it can definitely play a role in the playoff seedings where it decides any tie between teams with the same position in their respective pools. The US got #1 in 2010 because of goal differential and that got them Switzerland in the QF rather than Slovakia who ended up beating #2 ranked Sweden.
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02-12-2014, 04:26 PM
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#120
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
5th really isn't that much of a stretch. Canada could easily finish 5th.
1998:4th
2002: 1st
2006: 7th
2010: 1st
Is it 100% accurate? No. Is it the best way to do it? Yes.
People always spew that Canada doesn't have it's best teams at the World Championships, but forget that the other nations don't have all of their NHLers either so it is a level playing field in that regard.
Canada should actually be better off in that situation since we clearly have the best depth of any nation in the world.
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Well I am happy to take any bets...the odds makers with millions of dollars on the line rank it like this
Canada
Russia
Sweden
USA
Czech Rep
could Canada finish 5th in a one game elimination tourney? Yes of course
but if you are trying to tell me they have the 5th best roster in the tournament you are totally out to lunch.
And yeah the world championships are not best on best so are meaningless when ranking a best on best tourney...apples and oranges I never said other teams had their best either
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