Fracking has been used to drill more than 170,000 wells across Alberta

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

http://www.zmescience.com/ecology/fr...tion-27052013/

Thanks.

So then my question is it used in Alberta?


Fotze claims it is not (I seem to recall him saying he is not involved with fraccing).

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

http://www.zmescience.com/ecology/fr...tion-27052013/

Ugh...

That spill had zero to do with any kind of well treatment. It was a gas plant or pipeline spill. Williams Energy is a processor not a well operator or a well servicing company.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by fotze

What an awful article. Why do they feel the need to bring fraccing into it? It is a gas plant leak. It is a bad leak no doubt but has zero to do with facking, but it is picked up by all the 9/11 truthers because a ###### author just through the work in there.

A plant for fracked natural gas processor Williams Energy, near Parachute, Colo., spilled an estimated 241 barrels of mixed natural gas liquid into the ground, some of which eventually washed as benzene into Parachute Creek.
Read more at http://www.zmescience.com/ecology/fr...kAHyY4ElCZs.99

Checking up on an actual article with real data shows the ZME article to be horsecrap.. That should be illegal to lie to people like this.

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/bl....html?page=all

Why the need to take a bad thing where a company should be taken to task and throw in some completely non-related boogeyman.

Williams Energy's main business in Canada is processing off-gas from oil sands upgraders and turning it back into usable olefins/plastics reducing the CO2 from the oil sands by tons every year.

[DuffMan]

How about this one then, there's 1,000's of stories to choose from.

I also like the part about the EPA warning residents to ventilate their homes when they shower.

The wells also contained benzene at 50 times the level that is considered safe for people, as well as phenols -- another dangerous human carcinogen -- acetone, toluene, naphthalene and traces of diesel fuel.

http://www.propublica.org/article/ep...yoming-aquifer

[Cyclops]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

I could tell you about many extremely small spills (1 bbl) that I hear reported up several levels of management every week at our D&C status meetings. They are all also reported to the government and cleaned up.

It is treated like a big deal, every time.

And how many spills either go unreported or pushed under the rug? The most recent one in the news is the Obed coal mine and the government saying that it was nothing to worry about. How is that going now? That is a major spill, so how many small ones don't even get looked at? Don't think any clean-up is being done with a billion litre spill so what's the likelihood the government is holding companies accountable for a minor spill every single time? Probably not very good.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Dude I have no idea, that is why I asked the question.


Duffman's post seems to indicate that it is used, although to be honest, I still can't figure out what he is pissed about, fraccing or "Big Oil" as a whole.

I was going to say I'm not pissed about anything, but I guess I am. I'm pissed at the lack of accountability for the fracking industry. Im also pissed that people who are peacefully living their lives, have them completely turned upside down by the fracking industry with no compensation, or anyone taking responsibility.

I know it's easy for people here who are living inside the city limits of Calgary to not understand that, but, I'd like to see some of them live in Dish Texas for a few years, to see if they still agree.

I'm no Liebo Ludwig, but I think ignoring that there is a problem and not enough accountability in the fracking industry is stupid.

[Cyclops]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

I was going to say I'm not pissed about anything, but I guess I am. I'm pissed at the lack of accountability for the fracking industry. Im also pissed that people who are peacefully living their lives, have them completely turned upside down by the fracking industry with no compensation, or anyone taking responsibility.

I know it's easy for people here who are living inside the city limits of Calgary to not understand that, but, I'd like to see some of them live in Dish Texas for a few years, to see if they still agree.

I'm no Liebo Ludwig, but I think ignoring that there is a problem and not enough accountability in the fracking industry is stupid.

It's not just the Fracking industry but the oil industry as a whole. Companies cut corners and do the minimum to gain maximum profits with little to no concern of the ill effects of the environment and the people living in the area. When questions or concerns are brought forward then they either play the "we weren't aware" card or deny any accountability. Niger is a perfect example of this.

[burn_this_city]

It's Nigeria not Niger, and that's not the most straightforward situation. We don't have people here drilling into pipelines to steal oil.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

It's Nigeria not Niger, and that's not the most straightforward situation. We don't have people here drilling into pipelines to steal oil.

I saw a show about that, and it was how I picture Hell, if there was one.

I think it was a Vice show.

[burn_this_city]

What Shell did there is pretty awful, same with Chevron in South America. But the constantly bleating about fracking and the oilsands is misplaced when you compare the environmental damage here to those places.

[Cyclops]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

It's Nigeria not Niger, and that's not the most straightforward situation. We don't have people here drilling into pipelines to steal oil.

Are they not 2 different countries?

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

I was going to say I'm not pissed about anything, but I guess I am. I'm pissed at the lack of accountability for the fracking industry. Im also pissed that people who are peacefully living their lives, have them completely turned upside down by the fracking industry with no compensation, or anyone taking responsibility.

I know it's easy for people here who are living inside the city limits of Calgary to not understand that, but, I'd like to see some of them live in Dish Texas for a few years, to see if they still agree.

I'm no Liebo Ludwig, but I think ignoring that there is a problem and not enough accountability in the fracking industry is stupid.

Which industry? Which jurisdiction? You post articles related to problems related to pipelines, gas plants, drilling and completions in Colorado, Texas and Wyoming.

Do you think that your going to get people here that disagree that US State control/reporting related to oil and gas drilling is lacking and has huge gaps State to State and even larger gaps when compared to any Canadian jurisdiction? They do.

Fracking is ONE type of well treatment. ONE. If you're mad at the oil and gas industry as a whole, fine. Own that. Your ranting about the "fracking industry" is like shaking your fist at the sun after burning yourself on the stove.

[Cyclops]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

What Shell did there is pretty awful, same with Chevron in South America. But the constantly bleating about fracking and the oilsands is misplaced when you compare the environmental damage here to those places.

Some of the same companies there that are in operation here, and when you look at some of the spills and environmental damage that has been going on here then I would have to disagree with you. I don't think enough is being done here to be sure that the impact that our children and our childrens children won't be huge.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Cyclops

Are they not 2 different countries?

Sure they are, one is a major oil exporter and the other has no production. Lets be honest, you don't have a clue about the actual details.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Cyclops

It's not just the Fracking industry but the oil industry as a whole. Companies cut corners and do the minimum to gain maximum profits with little to no concern of the ill effects of the environment and the people living in the area. When questions or concerns are brought forward then they either play the "we weren't aware" card or deny any accountability. Niger is a perfect example of this.

Picking a country in Africa to use as an example if prob. not the strongest.

Arica, isn't another continent, it is another planet.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by Cyclops

Some of the same companies there that are in operation here, and when you look at some of the spills and environmental damage that has been going on here then I would have to disagree with you. I don't think enough is being done here to be sure that the impact that our children and our childrens children won't be huge.

Sure the companies are the same name but with different people operating them. The Canadian companies do care about environmental impact and nobody wants a spill so (good) companies here will spend the extra capitol to make sure their environmental impact is as close to 0 as possible. Certain companies even recycle their frac liquids. Just take a look at some of the reclamation that has been done here and it looks like there was never any industrial activity on these sites.

[Robbob]

At the end of the day, even though it isn't perfect, the regulation of oil in gas is a hell of a lot better here in Alberta then it is in some other parts of the world. I think with things like the fracfocus web site there is some transparency and knowledge sharing, especially for the public. The information is there for the people who want to see it.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Robbob

At the end of the day, even though it isn't perfect, the regulation of oil in gas is a hell of a lot better here in Alberta then it is in some other parts of the world.

I'll agree with that, but as fracking etc. is happening more and more, and the problems that come with it, are more and more frequent, it's not something that can be swept under the rug. Alberta may very well be the leader in environmental accountability, I don't know. If so, that's great, but I am looking at it, I guess from a view of NA. I realize other countries could care less about the environment, and will just do whatever they feel like to get the job done, unfortunately.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

I'll agree with that, but as fracking etc. is happening more and more, and the problems that come with it, are more and more frequent, it's not something that can be swept under the rug. Alberta may very well be the leader in environmental accountability, I don't know. If so, that's great, but I am looking at it, I guess from a view of NA. I realize other countries could care less about the environment, and will just do whatever they feel like to get the job done, unfortunately.

Have you ever used the fracfocus.ca website? It's surprisingly easy to find out exactly what chemicals are being used in what concentrations at any fracking site anywhere in Alberta. I've used it to keep tabs on the fracking operations on my parents' farm. From my perspective it's hard to imagine the industry being more transparent than this.

oops, I just noticed Robbob mentioned fracfocus just two posts above. Anyway, just on a personal level I've found it really useful.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by octothorp

Have you ever used the fracfocus.ca website? It's surprisingly easy to find out exactly what chemicals are being used in what concentrations at any fracking site anywhere in Alberta. I've used it to keep tabs on the fracking operations on my parents' farm. From my perspective it's hard to imagine the industry being more transparent than this.

first I heard of it.

Do your parents have a well?