Backing Backlund

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

There is no point in trading him as this streak hasn't increased his value by much, if any.

As TC points out, he's had a very productive last 25 games, but what about the first 25? There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that a lot of teams look past Calgary, because we are at the league bottom. This also coincides with the 25 game mark and his improvement.

We need him to be a 2nd line centre because he can't be a 3rd. here's hoping that the Backlund backers are right about him "turning the corner"...they've been wrong numerous times before.

If he walks into 2014/15 with his usually 11 points in 25+ games - I told you.

What's it like lacking the human ability to change your mind when every bit of logic and and piece of evidence suggests the opposite of what you believe?

Whatever anyone does, do NOT tell him the world is round. He might not be ready for that.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

If he walks into 2014/15 with his usually 11 points in 25+ games - I told you.

No, if he walks into 2014/15 with a full-time roster spot in the NHL then you were completely wrong, and didn't "tell" anybody.

The fact that he's still here, and still getting better, and in fact is wearing a letter on his jersey now, means we told you.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by devo22

so your point is that he scores more because other teams now "underestimate" the Flames, am I reading that right? Then why did veterans like Hudler, Cammalleri and Stempniak all score better in the first half of the season? Outside of Backlund, I don't see any Flames forward that has significantly improved offensively since the 25 game mark.

That's exactly my point. The vets were trying when this team had a (at least) mathematical chance of competing. Backlund is playing more now, deservedly, because he's playing well.

My point is this is redundant, when games matter he's invisible.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by strombad

What's it like lacking the human ability to change your mind when every bit of logic and and piece of evidence suggests the opposite of what you believe?

Whatever anyone does, do NOT tell him the world is round. He might not be ready for that.

Just throw up a sig saying Backs will be ppg next season for the first 25,20, hell, even 15 games would be refreshing.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

That's exactly my point. The vets were trying when this team had a (at least) mathematical chance of competing. Backlund is playing more now, deservedly, because he's playing well.

My point is this is redundant, when games matter he's invisible.

I picture you getting upset and throwing your drink on the floor every time he scores.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

No, if he walks into 2014/15 with a full-time roster spot in the NHL then you were completely wrong, and didn't "tell" anybody.

The fact that he's still here, and still getting better, and in fact is wearing a letter on his jersey now, means we told you.

Look, I'm happier if he becomes a 2C vs. Scrap, but please, help me out, give me some cred. You had a GM last year who signed 7 centermen, none of which could play the position. Backs got a strikeshortened year -injured with terrible numbers and this year, all that was added was the phenom. Who he's clearly behind. If this was a good team, we all know he likely wouldn't have made the team out of camp.

Kudos to him for getting nine lives, but were a bad team, he hasn't earned this, its by default.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Just throw up a sig saying Backs will be ppg next season for the first 25,20, hell, even 15 games would be refreshing.

Are people claiming that? Last I checked, you said he'd be in the KHL, and he is currently an assistant captain on the Flames.

Just throw up a sig saying "I was wrong! Backlund is a solid NHLer!" and I'll be happy to oblige.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

all that was added was the phenom. Who he's clearly behind.

Backlund is clearly behind Monahan, despite consistently getting more ice time, being given an "A", getting played on both special teams, taking and winning more faceoffs, and scoring more points?

I think you're confusing the actual Mikael Backlund with your imaginary one.

This thread is mostly talking about the actual one.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by strombad

Are people claiming that? Last I checked, you said he'd be in the KHL, and he is currently an assistant captain on the Flames.

Just throw up a sig saying "I was wrong! Backlund is a solid NHLer!" and I'll be happy to oblige.

I say everyone just put this guy on the ignore list. That way we don't have to see his Sig or his posts which are ALL Backlund hate. I've never seen someone attack a player, let alone a good player for as long as Sullivan. Of course the only thread he's active on is a Backlund love thread so he can spew hate.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Monahan I will likely pass Backlund in every aspect of the game, probably very soon, but right now, the only element of the game he's better at than Backlund is his pure talent in the finishing department (which is huge). Monahan has a natural finishing ability that Backlund will never have, but other than that, Backlund is better right now in all other aspects.

[moon]

Monahan better or at least equal to Backlund in the physical game and defense pretty equal. He also thinks the game a lot better and you can see that by him putting himself into situations to score.

He might not be better now (arguable) but hard to see he won't be much better by next year and beyond.

As much as Chris O'Sullivan gets crap for his hate (and it is over the top) the love for Backlund is just as tiresome from other posters.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by moon

Monahan better or at least equal to Backlund in the physical game and defense pretty equal. He also thinks the game a lot better and you can see that by him putting himself into situations to score.

He might not be better now (arguable) but hard to see he won't be much better by next year and beyond.

As much as Chris O'Sullivan gets crap for his hate (and it is over the top) the love for Backlund is just as tiresome from other posters.

I agree it's very easy to see he that he'll pass Backlund in short order, but I don't agree at all that his physical or defensive game is better today.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by moon

Monahan better or at least equal to Backlund in the physical game and defense pretty equal. He also thinks the game a lot better and you can see that by him putting himself into situations to score.

He might not be better now (arguable) but hard to see he won't be much better by next year and beyond.

As much as Chris O'Sullivan gets crap for his hate (and it is over the top) the love for Backlund is just as tiresome from other posters.

This interview must of driven you nuts then: http://video.flames.nhl.com/videocen...d=11&id=552537

7 minutes of Hartley talking about how much he loves Backlund. But I mean, what would his head coach know?

[Ashasx]

I love Monahan, but his defence isn't comparable to Backlund's right now.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

This interview must of driven you nuts then: http://video.flames.nhl.com/videocen...d=11&id=552537

7 minutes of Hartley talking about how much he loves Backlund. But I mean, what would his head coach know?

I don't know what his coach would know, but considering Hartley is an idiot I would say not much. I do know that when Eakins praised his guys many people laughed about it and talked about that is what coaches say about his guys.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by moon

I don't know what his coach would know, but considering Hartley is an idiot I would say not much. I do know that when Eakins praised his guys many people laughed about it and talked about that is what coaches say about his guys.

Haha you and Sullivan belong together. I can't believe you just compared Eakins to Hartley. Oiler fans HATE Eakins while flames fans praise Hartley and the work ethic hes instilled on this team. Hartley by the way, is a Stanley cup winning coach so I'm thinking it's you who doesn't know much. Give your head a shake and let me know if you hear a loose screw.

[moon]

Oiler fans are idiots if they hate Eakins he is the least of their problems, and I think you missed the word some before Flames fans praising Hartley. And since when did fan opinion become the measuring stick for how good/bad a coach is?

I would say Harltey needing his friend to bring him back to the league after a disasterous coaching spell in Colorado and Atlanta once the team he has wasn't stacked speaks more to the coach that Hartley is and what is thought about him by people in the hockey world.

[Enoch Root]

Monahan is no where near Backlund in their overall games at this point, but obviously Monahan is doing amazingly well for a 19 year old.

Backlund does seem to attract an inordinate amount of both love and hate on these boards though. Don't know why.

But it would take blinders not to see that he is making real progress and has been arguably the Flames' best forward over the past month or so.

I agree with those that mentioned past injuries and the timing of those injuries. This healthy stretch, along with a lot of hard work, has him playing at a new level.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by moon

I don't know what his coach would know, but considering Hartley is an idiot I would say not much. I do know that when Eakins praised his guys many people laughed about it and talked about that is what coaches say about his guys.

Originally Posted by moon

Oiler fans are idiots if they hate Eakins he is the least of their problems, and I think you missed the word some before Flames fans praising Hartley. And since when did fan opinion become the measuring stick for how good/bad a coach is?

I would say Harltey needing his friend to bring him back to the league after a disasterous coaching spell in Colorado and Atlanta once the team he has wasn't stacked speaks more to the coach that Hartley is and what is thought about him by people in the hockey world.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by moon

Oiler fans are idiots if they hate Eakins he is the least of their problems, and I think you missed the word some before Flames fans praising Hartley. And since when did fan opinion become the measuring stick for how good/bad a coach is?

I would say Harltey needing his friend to bring him back to the league after a disasterous coaching spell in Colorado and Atlanta once the team he has wasn't stacked speaks more to the coach that Hartley is and what is thought about him by people in the hockey world.

In three sentences you managed to imply that you know better than the majority of Oiler fans and Flames fans. I'm done trying to reason with you because you can't reason with yourself.