Best place to return something withou a receipt

[Brannigans Law]

Originally Posted by J-bo09

I absolutely hate when people use mp3s as a way to justify stealing. I also hate when they use an absolute extreme case like a DUI to justify something totally unrelated.

Doesn't matter where it lands on the morale scale, it is still wrong

comparing the ops actions to stealing music is a lot more realistic than comparing his actions to smashing someones windows and stealing property. funny how you blew right past that.

[krynski]

I now have an understanding that some people are very ignorant and have no idea how their fraudulent shopping habits affect consumers, and that some individuals don't even understand how businesses work.

[Voodooman]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Dial back the rhetoric, son? Dial up the google, dad.

In the last year they've been fined 82 million bucks for environmental crimes, and they are currently being investigated for corruption, bribery, and labor infractions.

None of this is unethical or criminal, I guess.

We're not all as smart as you, I'll admit that. It takes a special kind of genius to miss this stuff.

Yeah, I must have totally missed that. I'm sure they're the only retailer who've been accused of these type of activities, so it's totally fine to steal from them.

Wait a second...I just tried that google thing you suggested. Imagine my shock when I was able to find that pretty much every retailer is the subject of legal action and investigation at some point. Even Trader Joe's, Whole Foods and Target are being sued this year for not disclosing the presence of lead in candy they sell.

So I'm assuming it's OK to steal from all these guys as well?

I'm not trying to argue for or against Walmart. I'm aware that there are many people who dislike them and disagree with their business practices. I'm just saying that rational adults don't come to the conclusion that stealing is OK.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Brannigans Law

you cant possibly be serious? you dont see a difference between making an unethical return to walmart and lying about where you bought it and smashing innto someones car and stealing their deck? i like your posts pylon i really do, but you really need to dial down the intensity here. your position isn't reasonable or logical. context is important and yes, shades of gray exist here.

Just because two actions sit on opposite ends of a spectrum or scale of ethical/moral wrongdoings doesn't make either action okay.

And yes I did some fraudulent things as teenager - both to businesses and to people, but I grew up and realized that while morality is a social construct; that social construct is a social agreement that everybody participates in.

Free riders, scammers, liars, thieves, cheats, conmen, and anybody who chooses to fraudulently work the system (no matter how trivial or how grave their actions) ultimately injures the privileges of everybody else in the system.

If I was an employer, I wouldn't hire any of you people making this argument because you have just displayed a willingness to defraud or deceive someone or something (or accept/condone such actions by others) just because it seems trivial enough to you on your own personal gray scale of ethics.

[Jbo]

Originally Posted by Brannigans Law

comparing the ops actions to stealing music is a lot more realistic than comparing his actions to smashing someones windows and stealing property. funny how you blew right past that.

Okay I'll bite. On a small scale, yes it is a large company, and may not have an immediate or disastrous effect on the company. However, it only takes a couple abuses to change that. Suddenly, policy changes, because it does hurt the bottom line, and now everyone suffers.

I'll use something I can relate to, videogames. Because of theft, I am now forced to deal with DRM, micro transactions, season passes, DLC and other junk because a small percentage of people didn't want to pay.

Just because it appears small, does not mean it does not have a big impact.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Brannigans Law

comparing the ops actions to stealing music is a lot more realistic than comparing his actions to smashing someones windows and stealing property. funny how you blew right past that.

Actually, no it is the other way around. Even though I am one of the poor saps that actually buys stuff on iTunes, downloading an MP3 is closer to finding a CD laying on the ground, and keeping it for personal use. And file sharing technically is not illegal in Canada. Plus you are not receiving financial gain by downloading it.

In the Walmart scenario, you have to actually commit a physical, tangible crime and are lying for financial gain. I am not a lawyer, but I suspect fraud would be where you would start. And there is a section in the criminal code so people that are caught can be prosecuted.

[undercoverbrother]

I wonder how many on here would support this if they were posting under their own names and had to report the content of their posts to their employers.

[Brannigans Law]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

If I was an employer, I wouldn't hire any of you people making this argument because you have just displayed a willingness to defraud or deceive someone or something (or accept/condone such actions by others) just because it seems trivial enough to you on your own personal grayscale of ethics.

again, i'm not condoning the OP's action as clearly stated in my first post. i don't think what he did was ethical nor should he do it, i am speaking to the laughable overreaction by some.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Dial back the rhetoric, son? Dial up the google, dad.

In the last year they've been fined 82 million bucks for environmental crimes, and they are currently being investigated for corruption, bribery, and labor infractions.

None of this is unethical or criminal, I guess.

We're not all as smart as you, I'll admit that. It takes a special kind of genius to miss this stuff.

Every company and every individual in the world is guilty of something or has done something unethical in the past; that does not give me the right to do something unethical to them in return. There is no equilibrium of morality where I am given a certain threshold/leeway to conduct crime and pursue anarchy against a corporation or individual to balance things out just because they've done something questionable themselves.

If it's your own selfish concern and your own private rights and privileges you care about, then you have to realize that everybody who abuses the social constructs that we have called laws and ethics, contributes to the additional burden of laws/punishments imposed on us and more and more freedoms taken away.

It takes a special genius to argue that because somebody dumped some bylaw breaking chemicals in the sewer outside his house that I have the right to trick him out of his property and also kick them in the balls while I'm at it.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

In the last year they've been fined 82 million bucks for environmental crimes, and they are currently being investigated for corruption, bribery, and labor infractions.

So I'm curious, when you steal from Wal-Mart do you give the money to help clean up their environmental crimes? Do you give it to employees of Wal-Mart that you feel have been wronged?

I'm guessing that you keep it for yourself.

If so stop deluding yourself that you are somehow righting a wrong.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Brannigans Law

again, i'm not condoning the OP's action as clearly stated in my first post. i don't think what he did was ethical nor should he do it, i am speaking to the laughable overreaction by some.

It's not laughable. We are trying to protect our own rights by talking some common sense into those who would free-ride, defraud, and otherwise abuse the system because it seems trivial to them (and trivial to you) when it hurts the rights and privileges of everybody as a whole.

Because businesses have to pay for theft prevention and deal with inventory fraud, the rest of us slowly lose our liberal return/refund privileges (there are many examples of this in retail) and ultimately have to pay more for our goods and services and have fewer avenues of recourse when a purchase goes bad.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Voodooman

Yeah, I must have totally missed that. I'm sure they're the only retailer who've been accused of these type of activities, so it's totally fine to steal from them.

Oh, I see. A few minutes ago it was "unbelievably stupid" to suggest that they were criminal (found guilty, not simply accused) and unethical. But, now, since they aren't the only ones...

Sorry for being so ill-informed. I didn't know the tune was about to change.

Originally Posted by Voodooman

So I'm assuming it's OK to steal from all these guys as well?

You are assuming wrong. We're talking about WalMart. They are in a league of their own, and I'm not going to cry about ethics and morality if someone decides to pull a fast one on them.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Jacks

So I'm curious, when you steal from Wal-Mart do you give the money to help clean up their environmental crimes? Do you give it to employees of Wal-Mart that you feel have been wronged?

I'm guessing that you keep it for yourself.

If so stop deluding yourself that you are somehow righting a wrong.

Laugh.

I'm curious. When you think you are being clever (and morally superior to boot) on the internet, do you lean back in your chair, smugly cross your arms, and say "well, I really showed him"?

If so, stop deluding yourself.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Laugh.

I'm curious. When you think you are being clever (and morally superior to boot) on the internet, do you lean back in your chair, smugly cross your arms, and say "well, I really showed him"?

If so, stop deluding yourself.

Thanks, I'll assume you keep the money then.

[Timbo]

Hemi-Cuda jebus cribes that was a good CP Faux Pas but I'm perfect so what do I know. Doh!

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some of the comments in this thread are crazy...Users who admit that they have done that banned from the forum? People should be fired from their jobs?

Seriously people this is getting rediculous.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Judging from the tone of this thread, I should probably rethink my next thread asking for the best places to dispose of a dead hooker

[Peanut]

I won't step foot in Walmart, even if I was the type only going there to defraud them (which I'm not). God, that place sucks.

Count me in the group of poor saps who buy music and movies on iTunes. Trying to scam retailers for your own profit, even if it only is $20-30, says a lot about your overall morality and ethics, IMO. Not just to the OP specifically but Raekwon and others who are supporting ripping off Walmart just because it's Walmart.

I think it's possible OP just wanted to return the DVD's for the cost he paid and not lose money shipping it back to amazon. But yeah, if the intent was to buy on Black Friday and make a few bucks returning it later to another retailer... That's pretty low.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I should probably rethink my next thread asking for the best places to dispose of a dead hooker

Pm'ed.

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