Is Bob Hartley the right coach for this team?

[the2bears]

If he can pass his love and passion for the game onto the younger players then he's the right coach. So far, that seems to be what's happening.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by bluck

I like the start that we have had obviously and as everyone keeps saying thats a 109 point pace. TERRIFIC. Chances of that happening? Extremely slim. We are playing an exciting brand of hockey and you can tell the guys are busting their ass; however, when the message of "work" falls on deaf ears.. and it will.. then we will truly see how he handles this team.

I think these guys are still "learning how to win" They are going to have to make some mistakes in order to learn but I am very happy we still got a point out of last nights game. If the organization is actually serious about benching, removing, trading guys that don't show up to play we should be in good shape effort wise.

[bluck]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

I think these guys are still "learning how to win" They are going to have to make some mistakes in order to learn but I am very happy we still got a point out of last nights game. If the organization is actually serious about benching, removing, trading guys that don't show up to play we should be in good shape effort wise.

Great Post. I think thats the key as well is seeing just how serious this organizaiton will be with guys that take nights off and don't show up. We've seen in previous years players getting a pass so it will be interesting to see how this year shapes up.

I also want to add that I never once did say we should fire Hartley. I just wanted to gather various opinions on whether or not he is the right coach for this team as he was brought in to win during a time when we had a very different organizational philosophy. If I wanted to get someone fired just go search in my history for my "Time to get rid of D Sutter" thread.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He has used Sven fine imo. He even had him shoot first in the shootout.

I didn't say the shootout. In overtime, he isn't used and in my opinion that is where his skill level could be most effective. Granted I know he isn't the strongest defensively but the only way he learns is if he is put in those situations.

Other than that I don't have a problem with what he is doing.

[SuperMatt18]

Only thing wrong is Sven and Monahan need more Powerplay time. Outside of that their usage has been pretty good.

[Travis Munroe]

100% yes - Hartley is a perfect fit for this team. We are young and we have seen in Edmonton that not any coach can work with a young group. Hartley has plenty of experience and gives off a great vibe for a young team. He appears to be coaching players on their mistakes vs tearing into them and so far we have seen players who made mistakes bounce back and play solid follow up games.

He actually reminds me of Pete Carroll of the Seahawks with the enthusiasm and I get the sense that Pete/Bob have the best interest of each player in mind and feel personally responsible for individual failures.

Also, I am sure its been pointed out already but McG being on the ice and having that give away has nothing to do with Hartley. He was supposed to change well before that, had chances and elected not too. I was worried when he passed up his second chance to change as that line had skated a couple length of the ice. That falls 100% on him and I am sure he takes full responsibility and won't make the mistake again. Instead of ripping into him on the bench or through the media I am sure Hartley had a 1 on 1 which is the right way to approach the situation.

[Machiavelli]

LOL...

When asked after the morning skate about Matt Stajan’s recovery from a thigh contusion, Hartley replied: “I saw him this morning and he looks like he had a few slices of pizza and burgers over the last week. He has a big butt right now.”

http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/10/07...fied-with-goal

[BloodFetish]

Good rant, OP. Would read again.

[EVERLAST]

yes please lets continue firing and paying coaches not to coach


the coaching carosel here has to stop.

Bob is going to do just, fine ...even if him and Jay are being babysat by Burke

[Flamboyant 14]

Yes,Bob Hartley is the right coach for our team.

[stemit14]

I think he is a good coach and the loss on Sunday can be attributed to mental lapses from veterans ( mcgrattan, glencross, and wideman in overtime) more than coaching. These things happen and the flames don't have 2006 Kipper to make up for it anymore... They have Joey macdonald.

It's too bad in a lot of ways cause macdonald is exactly what the flames needed 2-3 seasons ago... When the flames were 2 or 3 points shy of a playoff spot. They were still getting 40+ wins from kipper... All they needed was a couple wins from their back up goalie and they would have been in the playoffs. Guys like macdonald, Garon, and budaj can get you those wins cause they are career backups that are used to it. During those seasons, the flames couldn't buy a win without kipper in net cause they didn't have a dependable backup goalie.

[Huntingwhale]

Wasn't sold on his last year. But now that he has a rebuild to go through I can't think of anyone better. Most importantly, he has gotten the players to buy in. Something that hasn't happened here in almost a decade. Keep the man. The players love him and so does management.

[Super-Rye]

I like Hartley. I think he has the right attitude to coach this team.

Allowing players to learn from mistakes, giving them opportunities to redeem themselves, and not making excuses for losses are all important things for a rebuilding team.

So far he has gotten more out of this squad than anyone expected, so I don't know what anyone could be complaining about.

[Vulcan]

Some dumb odds maker is saying Hartley is the next to be fired

Here are the odds from Bovada:
Bob Hartley (Flames) -- 2/1
Kirk Muller (Hurricanes) -- 5/2
Mike Yeo (Wild) -- 7/2
Claude Noel (Jets) -- 4/1
Kevin Dineen (Panthers) -- 13/2
Peter DeBoer (Devils) -- 13/2

The Flames have collected points in all three games so far, winning once, but are not expected to be much of a contender this year. With an unsettled situation in net, Hartley doesn't necessarily have a lot to work with. Bovada also gave the Flames a 74.5 over/under for total points heading into the season, the lowest in the NHL. So there's not much love for Calgary as far as bettors are concerned.

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-...ed-this-season

[thymebalm]

The way I look at it is he has the resume (Championships) and he has the experience (lots). He seems like a passionate thoughtful guy, I like the way he articulates himself.

I've really liked the neutral zone play and I think we are creating great chances in the offensive zone by having multiple systems of attack.

The special teams and defensive play have been lacking, but those are the hardest systems to instill, and I want to give him ten games, goals are being scored like crazy in the league right now.

Some decisions I haven't liked but I understand in the big picture.
-Glencross hasn't seemed 100% committed but isn't getting less ice. I get it that it must be very difficult to sit him without Cammalleri and Stajan on the bench to help drive the top 6.

-McGrattan playing in the 3rd in a close game. I get it, Grats had played mistake free hockey up until that point. He was driving the play, drawing penalties, etc. But he was still only having 4 mins a night of TOI. Hartley thought he was going to keep playing at this level (historically above himself) and rolled the dice. Grats made a bad mistake.. but he was going to make that mistake eventually anyway. What is really happening here is again, team depth. McGrattan wouldn't have been playing in the 3rd if Hartley had a better option while he rested the rest of the troops.

-Ramo didn't start the home opener. I thought this was a huge mistake. Ramo played great ES hockey, and I thought all the shots that beat him were NHL calibre scoring chances. Hartley had the opportunity to sit MacDonald as the backup coming off a good road win, and go with the Starter. Instead, he tries to create competition and Mac falls flat from the pressure, and now both goalies are coming off losses. I get that it must be intimidating to start a goalie who hasn't played in the league in 4 years. Hartley has completely flinched in the goaltending so far. Berra played well enough to deserve a spot but was beat out because of "nhl experience" not performance in camp, the same reason Ramo is losing minutes. Don't be scared Hartley, take the plunge into a new era of goaltending!

That's about where I sit. I haven't like the Colborne situation at all, but again, forced hand early in the season.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Some dumb odds maker is saying Hartley is the next to be fired

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-...ed-this-season

That Peter DeBoer pick might be some decent odds.

0-3, no 1st overall draft pick. If they continue to lose and don't win a game in their next couple I could see Lou overreacting.

Will be on a short leash this year because they can't give away a top 5 draft pick.

[bluck]

Apparently he's going right back to Joey Mac tmrw. I feel Ramo deserves another shot here Joey Mac didn't play amazing last game by any means

[calumniate]

I remember when he was first hired, there was an interview with him where he talked about how he first got into coaching. Went on to explain how his first season was all losses ha, and that he went home each night practically crying.

The anecdote makes me feel more comfortable with him stewarding a 'not so good on paper' type of team. He's a passionate guy, but my guess is he'll be the last to give up on the team and / or start throwing people under a bus. I could see him sticking around here for a while.

[codynw]

Hartley seems like he's patient enough to deal with the rebuild and having young kids that will obviously make mistakes, but at the same time he's not going to accept players that don't put in a good effort.. If you ask me, that's exactly what a rebuilding team needs in a coach.

[Stupid]

I thought they were going to rotate goalies but I guess not.
Game 1: Ramo, OTL -> swap
Game 2: JMac, win -> no swap
Game 3: JMac, OTL, -> ???

Not sure why not Ramo again... I wanna see what we have in these guys..