If your a Hunter, don't be a Stoner

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

No it doesn't actually. If they were trying to control the population, there would not be limited hunting tags at all. Permits given out through lottery in limited number are done when the population of said animal is not low enough to ban hunting entirely, but it is acknowledged that over hunting could actually damage the populations ability to survive.

Animals that require population control don't have limited number of permits assigned, hunting of these animals is simply allowed.

Thus, why grizzly bears are closer to being endangered than needing population control.

Or, maybe they do it for the real reason, because they want to cull (ex.) 30 bears out of a particular geographic area to prevent overpopulation.

[ricardodw]

Is there a problem that Brodin or Suter will not play with Stoner the bear hunter?

Otherwise why is this thread here?

should we have have a thread condemning drunk driving, boating, drug use, unprotected sex which have a greater impact on hockey than this incident.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Is there a problem that Brodin or Suter will not play with Stoner the bear hunter?

Otherwise why is this thread here?

should we have have a thread condemning drunk driving, boating, drug use, unprotected sex which have a greater impact on hockey than this incident.

Oh FFS. Seriously, if I was mod, I would literally ban every poster who pulls out this ######ed argument. "You can't talk about this unless you talk about that". Screw off and start threads on the other stuff then. Otherwise you're just cluttering up a discussion.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

How would you know?

Do you know the range of each particular bear? If you don't know that then you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Provincial and state wildlife agencies spend millions to obtain this kind of information so that they can properly manage wildlife species.

Yes actually, this information is available on the BC government website. They have a track of the grizzly bear population in that province, and a breakdown of that population by region within that province. Have have no doubt they are of course using some form of extrapolation versus counting every single last bear, but I'm sure they are fairly accurate. So you can actually see how many bears there are in the entire province and a break down by region (which is why hunting rules are different by region)

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Or, maybe they do it for the real reason, because they want to cull (ex.) 30 bears out of a particular geographic area to prevent overpopulation.

Grizzly bears aren't even close to over populating any region in bc. As I mentioned, their population numbers are available by region through the governments web site.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

All I've heard since I've been back in the Flathead is how the Grizzly population has swelled significantly here as well. Definitely not much talk of opening Grizzlies up for hunting here, but there is concern that there may be too many bears for the habitat available.

Wolves are a big issue here as well. Out of control in most Montanan's eyes.

Colour me a little confused DFF, everything I've heard is pretty much the opposite of everything you're saying. And that's not a shot at you, as what I've heard could very well be off/outdated.

As an example, I'm pretty sure a few years ago I read that that a whole bunch of Wolves were being brought to Montana from Alberta because of a severe shortage?

Also, the only thing I've ever read about Bears in Alberta that doesn't suggest that they're numbers are either unsustainable or that their survival as a species is very fragile and they must be protected is that one recently that only suggested that "maybe" grizzly numbers are higher than we thought and that they will be looking into it.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Fact, Grizzly bears are far closer to being endangered then they are to needing any sort of population control.

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Or, maybe they do it for the real reason, because they want to cull (ex.) 30 bears out of a particular geographic area to prevent overpopulation.

Honest question do we know the grizzly bear population in that part of the world.

I believe the population in Alberta is on the increase.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...s-alberta.html

http://www.pc.gc.ca/pn-np/mtn/ours-b...i-grizzly.aspx

I am not a hunter and don't like hunting per say. If you eat the animal then I guess that is ok, (I know you are all happy I get permission).

[jayswin]

It was the wolf recovery program in Montana, I believe. Maybe it was too successful?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Yes actually, this information is available on the BC government website. They have a track of the grizzly bear population in that province, and a breakdown of that population by region within that province. Have have no doubt they are of course using some form of extrapolation versus counting every single last bear, but I'm sure they are fairly accurate. So you can actually see how many bears there are in the entire province and a break down by region (which is why hunting rules are different by region)

Exactly what I am talking about. So the BC government has a great read on what it takes to manage the species and where.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Grizzly bears aren't even close to over populating any region in bc. As I mentioned, their population numbers are available by region through the governments web site.

Define over populating and then qualify your definition and I might take what you say seriously. Otherwise, I'll take the BC governments policy as a sign that there is a need for some sort of Grizzly hunting in certain areas of the province.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by flameswin

It was the wolf recovery program in Montana, I believe. Maybe it was too successful?

Yeah, that's what many citizens in the state will tell you. Is it true? I don't know. I haven't lived here for 17 years until this summer so I'm hardly in a position to give my antecdotal evidentiary opinion. But I hear it all the time. Too many Grizzlies and too many wolves in NW Montana.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Exactly what I am talking about. So the BC government has a great read on what it takes to manage the species and where.

I'm not saying the BC government doesn't have good read. I've actually not made a single comment on being for or against hunting, I've intentionally stayed away from that.

My comment was to a specific poster who was saying that the Grizzly Bear population needed hunting in order ton protect the environment from over population. My only comment was that the grizzly bear population in BC is no where near the point of needing population control in any area. The government has a handle on it and knows where limited hunting can happen and not overly damage the population, but they certainly aren't issuing the hunting tags in these areas because they have an over population issue, which is what this poster suggested.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Oh FFS. Seriously, if I was mod, I would literally ban every poster who pulls out this ######ed argument. "You can't talk about this unless you talk about that". Screw off and start threads on the other stuff then. Otherwise you're just cluttering up a discussion.

I think the point is that it's in the wrong section. Fire on Ice is supposed to be about hockey. This wasn't ever really about hockey and stopped being about a hockey player a long time ago.

[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Oh FFS. Seriously, if I was mod, I would literally ban every poster who pulls out this ######ed argument. "You can't talk about this unless you talk about that". Screw off and start threads on the other stuff then. Otherwise you're just cluttering up a discussion.

Unless you're going to complain about all the silly types of arguments on this forum like straw men, ad hominem, etc you can't complain about this type of argument!

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by WilderPegasus

Unless you're going to complain about all the silly types of arguments on this forum like straw men, ad hominem, etc you can't complain about this type of argument!

This thread has nothing to do about hockey