[Rumour] Feaster only offering T.J. Brodie a one or two year deal.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Fire

I would rank Wideman, Giordano, Brodie, O'Brien, and Cundari over him. I do admit I value Cundari higher than most. Russell is debatable. So I think calling him a 6/7 defenseman on the Flames is fair.

I would slot him fourth after Wideman, Gio, and Brodie. He's better than O'Brien, and I just can't see how you can objectively rank Cundari ahead of him based on the Cundari's limited play.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Some of you are pretty funny.. "measuring my hockey intellect" by how much I like or dislike Butler? Seriously? Sorry, but that is honestly the most idiotic and arrogant statement I have ever read.

So you like Butler. I don't like Butler. This means you are a genius. I am an idiot.

Or trying to rationalize why I don't agree with it because I was some 'die-hard Regehr lover' and that the trade should have completely replaced Regehr at the very least. Yes.. once again, me being the big idiot would think that, and then become frustrated and upset like a kid whose favorite toy was taken away when Butler didn't do what Regehr did. Yep.

Get this through your arrogant, condescending heads people:

People don't like Butler because he screws up a lot! He is not good at passing, when he gets pressured, he coughs it up quite often, he is not a defensive stalwart. He is a warm body that is not horrible, but who most fans want to see replaced.

Also, I don't hate Butler. Just because I don't like him, or admire him, or praise him - doesn't mean I hate him. Hilarious how arrogant some posters become that they think they are so much smarter than the rest of us, and actually try to rationalize what we are thinking. Give me a break.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by $ven27

He could, but to say he's going to be a top pairing guy is a stretch considering how little he's played in the NHL.

First of all, I wasn't guaranteeing it.

Second we make projections based on kids playing zero NHL games. Odd you'd have a problem with this.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

First of all, I wasn't guaranteeing it.

Second we make projections based on kids playing zero NHL games. Odd you'd have a problem with this.

I was about to say, the same way we rank Nathan Mackinnon to ahead of Matt Stajan.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

First of all, I wasn't guaranteeing it.

Second we make projections based on kids playing zero NHL games. Odd you'd have a problem with this.

Sounded like you were already penciling him in as a top 2 Dman, nobody said I had a problem with anything.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by $ven27

Sounded like you were already penciling him in as a top 2 Dman, nobody said I had a problem with anything.

Nah, I wasn't.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Some of you are pretty funny.. "measuring my hockey intellect" by how much I like or dislike Butler? Seriously? Sorry, but that is honestly the most idiotic and arrogant statement I have ever read.

So you like Butler. I don't like Butler. This means you are a genius. I am an idiot.

Or trying to rationalize why I don't agree with it because I was some 'die-hard Regehr lover' and that the trade should have completely replaced Regehr at the very least. Yes.. once again, me being the big idiot would think that, and then become frustrated and upset like a kid whose favorite toy was taken away when Butler didn't do what Regehr did. Yep.

Get this through your arrogant, condescending heads people:

People don't like Butler because he screws up a lot! He is not good at passing, when he gets pressured, he coughs it up quite often, he is not a defensive stalwart. He is a warm body that is not horrible, but who most fans want to see replaced.

Also, I don't hate Butler. Just because I don't like him, or admire him, or praise him - doesn't mean I hate him. Hilarious how arrogant some posters become that they think they are so much smarter than the rest of us, and actually try to rationalize what we are thinking. Give me a break.

You know, you could just discuss it without the arrogant/condescending potshots at the board.

Just discuss the topic. No need for the over the top dramatics.

As for Butler, he's the whipping boy here now, moreso since Bouwmeester left. I expect it to be even worse this season since the team will lose more games and the finger will be pointed at him every time he makes a small mistake.

He has some bad games, he has some okay ones. He's no top pairing guy and he's not AHL fodder. He'll be somewhere around the 4/5/6 spot and his salary reflects that.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

You know, you could just discuss it without the arrogant/condescending potshots at the board.

Just discuss the topic. No need for the over the top dramatics.

As for Butler, he's the whipping boy here now, moreso since Bouwmeester left. I expect it to be even worse this season since the team will lose more games and the finger will be pointed at him every time he makes a small mistake.

He has some bad games, he has some okay ones. He's no top pairing guy and he's not AHL fodder. He'll be somewhere around the 4/5/6 spot and his salary reflects that.

I don't mean to make the 'potshots', but I have no other way of phrasing it.

Saying that I have no hockey knowledge because I don't like Butler is what? Feels like a potshot to me. Am I being over-sensitive?

Stating that I don't like Butler because I feel that trade was horrible because Butler didn't come close to filling in Regehr's shoes - I never expected Butler to do so, and that is also not a fair statement.

I don't really take 'potshots' at posters - at least very rarely. I have never received so much as a warning for any of my posts thus far (and I take your post as a bit of a warning).

If the poster I was referring to just made his case without bring up the 'measuring hockey knowledge' line, I would not have rebutted without the 'arrogant' statement. However, I feel this is exactly what it was - and I wasn't the only one. If that post was borderline trolling, I would say.

Have to apologize for losing my cool though. You are correct with that.

As for Butler - I don't exactly know why he is a whipping boy myself. He is a 5/6/7 defencemen, on a team full of 5/6/7 defencemen. He needs to be sheltered, but when he is on the ice, he doesn't bring anything special. He is not a shutdown guy, he is not much of a puck mover, he does get frazzled a lot, he is not offensive, and he is not physical and he is not consistent. Does it make him 'horrible' and the whipping boy? No. However, it does make some fans like myself not have any real appreciation for what he brings other than just being a warm body out there, but we see more potential in other players at this point to contribute in different ways. They may have some deficiencies in their games as compared to Butler, but they seem to have more strengths as well, and we would like to see those players develop instead of giving Butler more time.

I am not a 'Butler hater', just don't see the value he brings especially with a rebuilding team like the Flames who do have prospects on the verge of breaking out, and with seemingly an over-abundance of depth-defencemen.

[calgary2220]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Not sure what the issue is for you. For 600K more than you are happy with, when we are no where near the cap...That doesn't really sound like an issue to me.

If Brody is using Butler as the bench mark that's fine, I would offer him a 1.5 this year and 1.8 next year.

No issue, just this team has money and if you’re going to count on Brodie to play top 4 minutes and in key situations, then I was just stating what I think he’s worth. Just having heard that the first two offers where now where near what they gave Butler.

[FlameZilla]

I like this short-term contract strategy a lot. The young guys are going to have a lot of motivation to earn a final big RFA contract before they qualify for UFA. Could be a serious 'carrot' to get the most out of our best young players.

[theinfinitejar]

I'm starting to think we should just have a Chris Butler sub-forum.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by theinfinitejar

I'm starting to think we should just have a Chris Butler sub-forum.

It would probably suck too.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by nik-

It would probably suck too.

No, it would be a solid, bottom pairing sub-forum.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I don't mean to make the 'potshots', but I have no other way of phrasing it.

Saying that I have no hockey knowledge because I don't like Butler is what? Feels like a potshot to me. Am I being over-sensitive?

Stating that I don't like Butler because I feel that trade was horrible because Butler didn't come close to filling in Regehr's shoes - I never expected Butler to do so, and that is also not a fair statement.

I don't really take 'potshots' at posters - at least very rarely. I have never received so much as a warning for any of my posts thus far (and I take your post as a bit of a warning).

If the poster I was referring to just made his case without bring up the 'measuring hockey knowledge' line, I would not have rebutted without the 'arrogant' statement. However, I feel this is exactly what it was - and I wasn't the only one. If that post was borderline trolling, I would say.

Have to apologize for losing my cool though. You are correct with that.

As for Butler - I don't exactly know why he is a whipping boy myself. He is a 5/6/7 defencemen, on a team full of 5/6/7 defencemen. He needs to be sheltered, but when he is on the ice, he doesn't bring anything special. He is not a shutdown guy, he is not much of a puck mover, he does get frazzled a lot, he is not offensive, and he is not physical and he is not consistent. Does it make him 'horrible' and the whipping boy? No. However, it does make some fans like myself not have any real appreciation for what he brings other than just being a warm body out there, but we see more potential in other players at this point to contribute in different ways. They may have some deficiencies in their games as compared to Butler, but they seem to have more strengths as well, and we would like to see those players develop instead of giving Butler more time.

I am not a 'Butler hater', just don't see the value he brings especially with a rebuilding team like the Flames who do have prospects on the verge of breaking out, and with seemingly an over-abundance of depth-defencemen.

It is what it is. If you don't think Chris Butler isn't good enough to play in the NHL I would say you were a poor evaluator of talent. If you notice there are a lot of posters here that do understand what Butler is and what he provides at $1.7 million. It's the over the top talk of how terrible he is that just makes some of you look bad. It's not a pot shot. It's the truth. Before Butler it was Bouwmeester, Stajan etc. It's fair game to criticize all players on the team but when you go overboard it's just silly and makes us look bad.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It is what it is. If you don't think Chris Butler isn't good enough to play in the NHL I would say you were a poor evaluator of talent. If you notice there are a lot of posters here that do understand what Butler is and what he provides at $1.7 million. It's the over the top talk of how terrible he is that just makes some of you look bad. It's not a pot shot. It's the truth. Before Butler it was Bouwmeester, Stajan etc. It's fair game to criticize all players on the team but when you go overboard it's just silly and makes us look bad.

Kind of like how Iginla selling his house in Calgary was a slap in the face to the Flames and their fans?

[Komskies]

Butler is a bottom-pairing player on a good team and a top-4 player on the 2013-14 Flames.

[terminator]

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It is what it is. If you don't think Chris Butler isn't good enough to play in the NHL I would say you were a poor evaluator of talent. If you notice there are a lot of posters here that do understand what Butler is and what he provides at $1.7 million.

There are a lot of players who some consider to be good enough for the NHL while others think they are not. These guys are considered fringe NHL players. A lot of times its about getting an opportunity and being a good fit for the team. Take a guy like Cam Barker. High draft pick, can move the puck and play on the PP, over 300 games of NHL experience, different teams have acquired him but is terrible defensively. Good enough for the NHL? Was he ever? Then you have a guy like Weaver. Who seriously thought he was a solid NHL defenseman until he was like 30? Personally I think Butler is a 6th and 7th guy in the NHL who lacks that one attribute that would make him a solid NHL defenseman that every team would like to have. On this team he fits well enough to have a role but lets not forget Butler plays on a bad team. How many teams that made the playoffs last season would have Butler in their top 5 or even top 6?

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Some of you are pretty funny.. "measuring my hockey intellect" by how much I like or dislike Butler? Seriously? Sorry, but that is honestly the most idiotic and arrogant statement I have ever read.

So you like Butler. I don't like Butler. This means you are a genius. I am an idiot.

This could be a whoosh moment for me or I'm just missing but I could almost swear that it were the posters on the ANTI Butler side who mentioned how they use a poster's opinion of Butler to determine said poster's hockey knowledge.

[Stay Golden]

This notion that Butler is the CP whipping boy is freaking hilarious. To suggest he is a whipping boy is to suggest he is the scapegoat for the Flames woes when they screw up on defense. The fact is he is a screw up on D and other teams are delighted that Feaster resigned this magnet for bad defensive play and wimpy defending.
I would prefer he is the 6th-7th Dman unless the Flames ambition is to finish low for another top 5-6 draft pick.
Butler gives me a headache when he is on the ice.