After some ridiculous, terrible comparisons between Iginla and Alfredsson trotted out by some last season, this back and forth between alfie and Murray is awesome and hilarious.
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it's sad that at the end of the day the all mighty dollar is what alfie wants.
how many other people would have the gaul to finish a contract that he signed and then ask for more compensation for previous years because he felt he outperformed the dollar amount.
should have asked for money back the year ottawa wasn't good. Only fair
On the fan they were saying how alfie was only paid a very cap friendly $1,000,000 last year. And I say so what, he got negotiated this deal, he got a lot of money up front, thus he clearl understands the time value of money.........this is a sorry and boring pissing match......
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Yeah not sure how you could fine them for cap circumvention now when Alfie actually played out that final season at $1 Million.
That doesn't stop anything, as the CBA also forbade attempting to circumvent the cap, even if the attempt was not successful.
What I'm not understanding is this: Alfredsson's contract was a multi-year, 35+ deal. If he had retired, the Senators would therefore still have been on the hook for his entire cap hit. So there was no possibility of circumvention in the sense of actually avoiding any part of the cap hit. In fact, if Alfredsson had retired in 2012, the Senators would have had a total cap hit bigger than the total salary paid:
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Year Salary Cap hit
09-10 $7,000,000 $4,875,000
10-11 7,000,000 4,875,000
11-12 4,500,000 4,875,000
12-13 0 4,875,000
Total 18,500,000 19,500,000
The only thing that could possibly count as circumvention is that part of the cap hit would have been deferred until the 2012-13 season, the year after Alfredsson would have retired. But compare that to Iginla's new contract in Boston, where a similar amount of cap hit (and a much bigger percentage of the contract) can be deferred until the year after the contract expires. Clearly the league doesn't think Iginla's contract is a case of contravention; so it would be hard to argue that Alfredsson's was.
Alfy's words today, not quoting because I don't have time, was he wanted to renegotiate a contract extension last season that paid him to compensate for the low actual pay of last season. What he is conveniently forgetting is he was paid all his money up front in the first 3 years, with the supposed agreement he wasn't going to play the last year and somewhere along the line he changed his mind and decided to play. Again what I see, and this is only me, is another player forgetting what he has been paid before and basically telling the team - Screw you I want to be paid, I don't care how it affects the other guys. I agree with the owner saying to the GM we have X number of dollars to spend and don't exceed it.
There are no players in any sport that take discounts to play for anyone. Fans and the press talk about a guy signing because he wants to win a cup (excluding Hossa who chased his cup) or play close to home is bunk. They all sign wherever the team pays them the most.
I like how the new CBA deals with the cap diving deals and term, pay them whatever is negotiated and count it all against the cap. This is why you are seeing 8yr deals for $8M per year instead of the old cap circumventing deals. No matter what anyone thinks about Iggy he was paid, and counted against the cap, at $7M every year. Iggy always stayed in Calgary because he knew the owners would pay to the cap to try and build a winner,pay him market value and as soon as they told him they needed to rebuild then he agreed to waive his NMC. Everyone agrees the Flames waited at least 2 years too long to move Iggy but they couldn't because he wouldn't waive.
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Alfie asked for $6, Sens offered $4 and the Wings gave him $5.5
He wasn't asking to be paid for past years, he just wasn't interested in taking another home town discount.
It's great for him that the Wings offered him $5.5 million but if I'm a Senators fan I'm glad they didn't offer that type of money to him. It's similar to Iginla here in that he's no longer worth market value to them at this stage of his career. They got a better player in Ryan and it was time to turn the page to new leaders taking over that locker room.
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Here's the deal with the Kovalchuk contract: It was so beyond the pale of an acceptable and defensible contract, it was rubbing the league's nose in circumvention to the point where they had no choice to fine and discipline one of their teams, something they would be generally be adverse to.
Ticky tack bs in the final year is one thing. Kovalchuk's and Luongo's deals are a whole different matter.
Edit: Also, Alfredsson actually played that contract out, vs. a situation like Kipper and Calgary where that final year was clearly for circumvention and it looks like he won't play it out.
I don't think the Kiprusoff deal was as clear cut as that. It's not like the $1.5 million dollars is less than he could make anywhere else or #1 goalies typically retire at age 37. There was no reason at the time to think he wouldn't play out the contract (and he still hasn't officially retired as far as I know).
Front loaded contracts have always been the norm due to the time value of money.
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I dont agree that they waited too long to trade iginla. His value to this team was beyond his on ice production.
Yeah his leadership value really showed with the team missing the playoffs the last 4 straight years usually always wilting at the end of the season in a playoff drive when leadership matters the most. There's good value when Alfredsson is helping the Senators make the playoffs and then there's poor value when Iginla is making life tough for coaches, captaining the team to zero post season appearances, etc.
I don't pretend to be blind in that Iginla was the big name and sold some tickets but his on-ice value is pretty debateable in his last few years and while I appreciate all that he brought to the Flames over his career things simply didn't go well at the end for him or the Flames.
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I didn't like how he turned on his team in the finals. Lack of sportsmanship and disrespectful for somebody who is in the twilight of his career. To me the writing was on the wall after this turn of event.
