Rate the 2013 Draft

[FlamesAddiction]

Other than Monahan, which was a no-brainer at 6th given who went ahead of him (it had to be either him or Nichushkin IMO), I like that they took some gambles. If you want the high reward, you need to be prepared to take some risks.

One of my fears was that they would play it too safe.

[Matty81]

I'm happy at first glance, all the stuff I've read on Monahan how could you not like him... The WHL guys we got in Klimchuk and Roy I really like and Poirier sounds like he's got potential.

The Flames will be in a position to make a killing at the deadline on UFAs again this year with Cammy, Stempniak, Stajan, Jackman and probably a couple more expiring.

One more year with an extra first or a couple extra seconds and the team will start to look in better shape going forward. Bring in another good center and right wing prospect and start stocking up on D and we'll have one of the best prospect pools in the league next summer if Monahan stays in junior.

[cral12]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

I'll rate the first round 9/10. Love all the picks. Even the Poirier one I've grown to like the more and more I read about him.

As for the other picks. I honestly don't know. The Kanzig pick is a bit of a head scratcher. The other picks seem okay from the very little I've read. Can't really rate them.

I'm about a 8/10 overall on the draft...maybe 7.9/10 if I were to be accurate...lol

I don't want to use the Shinkaruk word here, but...

I have warmed up to Poirier pick more and more...

Funny thing is if Eric Roy would've been our 3rd and Kanzig our 5th, I would've given this an easy 8.5/10!

Here's hoping the Flames scouting lads got it right!

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by cral12

I'm about a 8/10 overall on the draft...maybe 7.9/10 if I were to be accurate...lol

I don't want to use the Shinkaruk word here, but...

I have warmed up to Poirier pick more and more...

Funny thing is if Eric Roy would've been our 3rd and Kanzig our 5th, I would've given this an easy 8.5/10!

Here's hoping the Flames scouting lads got it right!

Haha, that's funny...the same is likely true for me

[VladtheImpaler]

I'm quite pleased. Happy with Poirer, but wish we'd traded down and taken him. Happy to see no goalie, and happy to see no Shinkaruk or Mantha - didn't want guys with questionable attitudes. Happy to see there were no picks traded for short-term fixes. I guess it all depends on how Monahan (particularly) pans out. The one thing Feaster and company seem to be competent at is drafting, at least on the surface - let's see how everyone turns out.

[Mattman]

I thought Feaster had Mackinnon at #6 so I'm pretty p*ssed about that...
Haha ,no, 8/10 good picks but could we have taken Porrier with another pick? Maybe trade for a second? Great pick but a little unexpected and off the board

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Haha ,no, 8/10 good picks but could we have taken Porrier with another pick? Maybe trade for a second? Great pick but a little unexpected and off the board

Maybe Poirier would be available later on and maybe not, but who cares, if he's next on your list you don't take chances unless you are 100% sure he would slip.

[bubbsy]

Good article on teams that went off the "board" statistically: http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2013/0...l-entry-draft/


6 teams went off hte board more than the flames this draft combined (avg/pick):
Wild
Stars
Penguins
Sharks
Wings
Preds

(seems like some pretty solid drafting teams are willing to take chances, and as a fanbase who has been upset with low risk picks over the years, we should be somewhat satisfied with the fact they aren't afraid to trust their scouts and hockey minds).

The Flames and Canadiens reached the most, however, with the Flames picking Émile Poirier at 22nd overall, 35 spots higher than his consensus ranking at 57th and the Canadiens picking Mike McCarron 25th overall, 40 spots higher than his ranking at 65th.
The Flames made the biggest reach in the first round last year as well, picking Mark Jankowski in the first round, 40 spots higher than his consensus ranking. At the time, Jay Feaster said that he thought Jankowski would be the best player to come out of the 2012 draft, indicating that the team had him right at or near the top of their rankings.

[Enoch Root]

Another point I would mention about consensus, or 'the board' if you want to call it that, is that it is not a definitive list. It is a collection of lists.

And one problem that stems from a collection of lists is that not all guys are fully covered by all of the scouting services. For instance, ISS tends to be more European based and had several North American guys ranked way lower than the North American scouts did (Poirier for example). Conversely, some of the other groups that are more North American focused, would presumably do the exact opposite, under-scouting some of the European kids.

The result is that the one lower rank pulls down the consensus for that pick. For instance, ISS had Poirier at 77 or something like that. Others had him between 25 and 45. But the 77 skews the average (consensus).

In the end, who cares? Players are going to be drafted by the team that values them (top ranking), not by an average ranking.

I don't look at a pick like Poirier and think 'wow, the Flames picked him too early', I look at it as 'since only a few teams were watching him closely, we probably got him cheap because he was under-priced'

[saillias]

I had some criteria for things I didn't want to see happen in this draft:
-I didn't want the Flames to pick Nichushkin, Nurse, or even Shinkaruk at 6. They didn't.
-I didn't want the Flames to trade down the 28th pick for two second rounders, which they didn't.

With that said I am satisfied with the draft. The Kanzig kid sounds like a bit of a goof but he has time to grow up.

[4oh3]

Should have got shinkaruk over poirer even if flames wanted him bad I' guarantee he'd still have been on the board at 28

[4oh3]

Originally Posted by Mattman

I thought Feaster had Mackinnon at #6 so I'm pretty p*ssed about that...
Haha ,no, 8/10 good picks but could we have taken Porrier with another pick? Maybe trade for a second? Great pick but a little unexpected and off the board

McKinnon at 6. No way in hell sorry man!

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by 4oh3

Should have got shinkaruk over poirer even if flames wanted him bad I' guarantee he'd still have been on the board at 28

People are pretty sure he wouldn't be.

Also, by everything I have seen, I am happy with both Poirier and Klimchuk. Even if you are right (which is debatable), Flames would end up losing one of them. Both their games seem to translate better in the NHL, and they both seem less 'risky'. Time will tell. Van's prospect pool isn't very deep, so I am sure Hunter will get the time to develop that he needs. I am sure this whole thing will be revisited annually (unfortunately).

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by 4oh3

Should have got shinkaruk over poirer even if flames wanted him bad I' guarantee he'd still have been on the board at 28

Do tell.....

[cowtown75]

Kinda freaked out over the Poirier pick, but am ok now. Flames seemed to of stuck to their game plan so I will give a 8/10. Love the Kanzig pick.

[Red Slinger]

People often say that you need to wait 3-5 years to really judge a draft. I looked at some threads around the 2010 draft and there was an interesting quasi-comparative to this years draft. Namely: Kiril Kabanov.

In 2010 Kabanov was a highly skilled, highly touted, highly troubled young Russian playing in the QMJHL. He had been fired by an agent, kicked off his Russian team and perpetually in the coaches doghouse in Moncton for his attitude and lack of work ethic. He is currently playing in the AHL and has yet to have a cup of coffee in the NHL.

When the Flames were finally picking in the 3rd round (didn't have a 1st or 2nd) they chose Max Reinhart. I won't name names but some people's reactions to selecting Reinhart instead of Kabanov (who was selected by the Islanders immediatley following the Reinhart selection) was hilarious in retrospect. It reminds me a little bit of the Shinkaruk/Poirier debate now. I'm not suggesting that Shinkaruk will end up like Kabanov and Poirier like Reinhart but the vitriol, the proclamations of guarantees, the fortune telling of some of the internet reaction is similar. I'm sure if we went back another 3 years to 2007 we'd find a similar unfounded reaction to the draft.

Let's see how this plays out.

[FAN]

I'll give the draft a solid B+. Monahan is a solid pick, although I don't see him as a franchise type center. While I liked Shinkaruk more, there were draft guides that had Poirier ranked higher. So for me, this is NOT that much of an off the board pick if at all. So I'm not going to slam our scouts for picking Poirier. Overall, I don't see the Flames as doing something different from what other teams are doing. I think the team made some solid picks in this year's draft, "safe" picks" if anything.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by 4oh3

Should have got shinkaruk over poirer even if flames wanted him bad I' guarantee he'd still have been on the board at 28

Your guarantee is worthless

[Gary83]

Originally Posted by 4oh3

Should have got shinkaruk over poirer even if flames wanted him bad I' guarantee he'd still have been on the board at 28

You know nothing 4oh3.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by 4oh3

Should have got shinkaruk over poirer even if flames wanted him bad I' guarantee he'd still have been on the board at 28

Montreal were sniffing around Poirier & there's a solid chance he would have been gone by 28.

He's a 6'2" speedy playmaking winger who plays a fast, physical game. Rarely in the game do you see a power forward with that kind of speed and those hands. Good pick at 22, regardless of his consensus rankings.