TSN’s Bob MacKenzie says Craig MacTavish’s bold move could be trading 1st pick

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Mango

If you ever run into Glencross, you should ask him what he thinks of the Oilers.

He's not a fan of Edmonton...ahem, Lowe.

[mykalberta]

The trick in Edmonton is trading the asset that has the most value now.

If I was them I wouldnt even think about trading any 1 asset if the deal was good enough. Trading assets when they are at their lowest value would be in line with Oilers history but not something they should do from a hockey POV.

Unless their pick is top 5 it wont have more value than any 1 of their current former first round picks.

IMO Eberle likely has the most value as a Tavares type player - that is who I would try to deal for assets if I was them. Trading your first for someone elses first next year and some slub in the minors is not bold, its bland and adds no value.

Next year is when the rubber hits the roads for the oilers, if they dont make the playoffs next year I think you could see a mushroom cloud form over the Capital City.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

You should take your own advice and look at results rather than spin. Would I trade a 6th or 7th overall pick for a 21-year-old averaging greater than a point per game? Yes I would.

Yakupov is too early to tell, but I likely would not for Eberle or RNH at this point

You're also looking at spin vs results wrt your complaint about the Islanders. Matt Moulson is a three-time 30-goal scorer who is averaging a point per game this year. Brad Boyes was added this year, and they have good support pieces in Nielsen, Streit and Okposo. Vishnovsky has been huge for them on the blueline, and Nabokov has solidified their goaltending (though his numbers are not outstanding.)

The Islanders don't have the same level of pure top-end talent the Oilers do, but they have a much stronger team from top to bottom. That is why they are in the playoffs. Put John Tavares in Hall's place with the Oilers, and Edmonton is still deep in lottery territory.

so you are saying that Hall > Tavares and the Islanders are way ahead of the Oilers because
Moulson > Eberle,
Nielson > RHN,
Okposo > Gagner
Grabner > Yakapov

AND the left over Islanders are better than Hemsky-Horcoff and Smyth???

So all Lowe/McTavish have to do is make the trades...

Which one do you turn down as the Islanders????

In real life Tavares >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hall or Eberle or any of the other Oiler pretenders.


who makes their team mates better on the Oilers?

and Vishnovski has improved so much since he was an Oiler ???????

[wpgflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Iginla hasn't lived in Edmonton for nearly 20 years. I seriously doubt that he has such a pressing attachment; he has lived his entire adult life between Calgary and Kelowna.

Yeah this isn't true. He was definitely my neighbour (in the summer) for 4-5 years.

[Husky]

Plain and simple. The Oilers lack jam/size and a few strong veteran players upfront.

Their D is a whole different game. Its horrible. They have little for prospects on the backend looking to be top 4. They have a ton of work to do to address numerous issues on the team.

On the other hand the Flames have quality veterans, quality goalie prospects and some guality young D. They also have some quality youth as well. Where they lack is the top end young plauyers; Hall, Eberle, etc. They have onef orsure with Baertschi and maybe gaudrea. Hopefully this draft they get a couple more.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Buyout Booth and Ballard, Luongo trade has to happen if we like it or not. Assume we let Raymond walk... Hey we need a winger....



Most likely, but Vancouver is a team he'd be open to, so says Lebrun like two weeks ago on team 1040

Even with all that, the Canucks still wouldn't have enough cap space to fill out the rest of their roster.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Even with all that, the Canucks still wouldn't have enough cap space to fill out the rest of their roster.

If Iginla doesn't win the cup this year with Pittsburgh you can bet your bottom dollar he'll be signing with the odds-on cup favourite in the offseason. I don't think that will be Vancouver next year. I sure as ####e won't be the Oilers. I'd put my money on a re-sign with the Penguins.

[drPepper1]

Oilers first for Chris Butler e4

[PeteLFan]

@DownGoesBrown: Awkward moment at the NFL draft when it was time for the first overall pick and Steve Tambellini ran up to the mic out of force of habit.

[Dorkmaster]

Doesn't really make sense to dangle this year's pick. You could get a Monahan or a Nurse which will give your core a lot more character and grit. Would make a lot of sense to trade the 2014 pick and tell your team that no more sucking will be tolerated. Then you target guys that are the same ilk as Prust, Stoll, Greene etc.

[Yamer]

Oilers trading Eberle for help right now would be the biggest mistake in a long list.

He has the most value for a reason.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

for 2m/yr?

Maybe... I have no idea what contract terms he'll want... he's playing well and they continue to win, so it wouldn't surprise me to see PIT get creative to be able to keep him around.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Buyout Booth and Ballard, Luongo trade has to happen if we like it or not. Assume we let Raymond walk... Hey we need a winger....



Most likely, but Vancouver is a team he'd be open to, so says Lebrun like two weeks ago on team 1040

Friedman said the same thing before the deadline, he would have waived to go to Vancouver

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Even with all that, the Canucks still wouldn't have enough cap space to fill out the rest of their roster.

it's been pointed out before but yes very easily they could, basically what Blaster said above and they can pay someone 6+

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Dorkmaster

Doesn't really make sense to dangle this year's pick. You could get a Monahan or a Nurse which will give your core a lot more character and grit. Would make a lot of sense to trade the 2014 pick and tell your team that no more sucking will be tolerated. Then you target guys that are the same ilk as Prust, Stoll, Greene etc.

I think it depends on where they see the team next year. Their window of having cheap ELC's is closing. Next year, Hall and Eberle are making 6M. The year after, RNH will probably want something similar. Schultz will probably be looking to cash in after his 2 years are up. And you know Yakupov is going to ask for the moon once his ELC is done. If this year's pick is not top 3 and can still net them a bonifide top pairing dman, then they might consider it.

[Bar-Down]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

Friedman said the same thing before the deadline, he would have waived to go to Vancouver



it's been pointed out before but yes very easily they could, basically what Blaster said above and they can pay someone 6+

Buying out Booth and Ballard 4.2+4.2=8.4 mill

Luongo trade 5.3 mill

So they will free up 13.7 mill.

They are up against the cap right now and the cap is going down by 6 mill so that eats almost half of it.

In the Luongo trade with the cap going down they will most likely have to take salary back.

Also with the Higgins, Burrows, Edler extensions and higher cap hits kicking in next year, that eats an extra 5 mill. 2 mill more on Edler deal, 2.5 mill more on Burrows and 0.6 on Higgins.

So with the 13.7-6mill = 7.7 with cap going down. Then 7.7 - 5 mill in extensions = 2.7 mill left.

Then salary back in the Luongo deal, they will be right up to the cap. Of course they can let Raymond walk but with that money they will have to replace Booth, Ballard and Raymond and a backup goalie with very very cheap guys.

Ugly offseason for VAN.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

Friedman said the same thing before the deadline, he would have waived to go to Vancouver



it's been pointed out before but yes very easily they could, basically what Blaster said above and they can pay someone 6+

Funny that they weren't on his list then. I think that was more speculation than factual on Lebrun's part.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Dorkmaster

Doesn't really make sense to dangle this year's pick. You could get a Monahan or a Nurse which will give your core a lot more character and grit. Would make a lot of sense to trade the 2014 pick and tell your team that no more sucking will be tolerated. Then you target guys that are the same ilk as Prust, Stoll, Greene etc.

The 2014 pick wouldn't be worth close to what this year's Oilers pick would be worth. Considering that McTavish got the job for reason that the Oilers missing the playoffs/lack of progress was unacceptable, I think McTavish would try hard to make a splash, make the playoffs next season, and buy himself time and some credibility.

Originally Posted by Bar-Down

Buying out Booth and Ballard 4.2+4.2=8.4 mill

Luongo trade 5.3 mill

So they will free up 13.7 mill.

They are up against the cap right now and the cap is going down by 6 mill so that eats almost half of it.

In the Luongo trade with the cap going down they will most likely have to take salary back.

Also with the Higgins, Burrows, Edler extensions and higher cap hits kicking in next year, that eats an extra 5 mill. 2 mill more on Edler deal, 2.5 mill more on Burrows and 0.6 on Higgins.

So with the 13.7-6mill = 7.7 with cap going down. Then 7.7 - 5 mill in extensions = 2.7 mill left.

Then salary back in the Luongo deal, they will be right up to the cap. Of course they can let Raymond walk but with that money they will have to replace Booth, Ballard and Raymond and a backup goalie with very very cheap guys.

Ugly offseason for VAN.

I think your math is wrong. Capgeek shows that the Canucks are about $102K over the cap next season with roster spots to fill. If the Canucks buy out Ballard and Booth and trade Luongo, they will be fine. Regardless, keep in mind that any salary coming back from the Luongo trade will likely mean a roster player. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out for the Canucks, but my bet is that they are going to pencil in a couple of their prospects to fill roster spots.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Bar-Down

Buying out Booth and Ballard 4.2+4.2=8.4 mill

Luongo trade 5.3 mill

So they will free up 13.7 mill.

They are up against the cap right now and the cap is going down by 6 mill so that eats almost half of it.

In the Luongo trade with the cap going down they will most likely have to take salary back.

Also with the Higgins, Burrows, Edler extensions and higher cap hits kicking in next year, that eats an extra 5 mill. 2 mill more on Edler deal, 2.5 mill more on Burrows and 0.6 on Higgins.

So with the 13.7-6mill = 7.7 with cap going down. Then 7.7 - 5 mill in extensions = 2.7 mill left.

Then salary back in the Luongo deal, they will be right up to the cap. Of course they can let Raymond walk but with that money they will have to replace Booth, Ballard and Raymond and a backup goalie with very very cheap guys.

Ugly offseason for VAN.

You realize that contracts expire, right? And that the Canucks have $15M in existing contracts that expire in a couple of months.

Not saying they'll have the money to go after a guy like Iginla, but your math is way off and you're approaching it from entirely the wrong direction. If you want to figure out how much room a team has you have to add up their committed salary for next year and then make moves from there.

By my estimate (and assuming a couple of prospects will make the team next year), if the Canucks can get rid of Booth, Ballard, and Luongo they'll have about $50M committed to a 14 man roster leaving them $14M for 9 guys. Definitely tight, but 8 of those spots are made up of the following, most of whom can be had fairly cheaply:

-three 4th liners
-13th forward
-one bottom pairing defenseman
-7th and 8th defensemen
-backup goalie

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Buyout Booth and Ballard, Luongo trade has to happen if we like it or not. Assume we let Raymond walk... Hey we need a winger....



Most likely, but Vancouver is a team he'd be open to, so says Lebrun like two weeks ago on team 1040

Hilarious. Iginla quote from Q and A in Flames 2013 yearbook... The man in his own words...

Q: What rival team do you love to hate the most?
Iggy: Vancouver, I just don't like them.

[Alberta_Beef]

I think the Devils would be interested in making a big splash at the draft since it's being held there and they will have to forfeit their pick next year (they won't this year since it's at home).

Their pick should be 9th-11th, so picking up what looks to be the 4th-7th pick as well would be a huge move in front of the home town fans. But I'm not sure the Devils have the assets to acquire the Oilers 1st without their own being in play, unless they are willing to move Henrique who should interest the Oilers very much as a very good young centerman and Hall's former linemate.