The 2013 Masters

[Zarley]

If Tiger had any integrity he would withdraw. It's clear from his interview yesterday that he broke the rules and should've been DQ'd. If this happened to any other player he wouldn't get the benefit of the doubt.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Zarley

If Tiger had any integrity he would withdraw. It's clear from his interview yesterday that he broke the rules and should've been DQ'd. If this happened to any other player he wouldn't get the benefit of the doubt.

That's not true. You cannot be disqualified anymore from a TV ruling.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Zarley

If Tiger had any integrity he would withdraw. It's clear from his interview yesterday that he broke the rules and should've been DQ'd. If this happened to any other player he wouldn't get the benefit of the doubt.

You dont get DQ'd for breaking the rules...thats a 2 stroke penalty which he was assessed...you get that for signing an incorrect scorecard which was not his fault as the rules committee had said there was no violation BEFORE he signed his card and changed their ruling AFTER he signed his card.

Any player would have the exact same treatment.

[HOOT]

A player is always given the benefit of the doubt to change their scorecard if a mistake was made. Tiger made the change to correct the error when it was realized the rules officials gave him the wrong ruling, now it's play on.

This is only a big deal with some because he is Tiger Woods and people have blind hate, if this was Fred Couples people would be complaining about the stroke penalty not asking him to DQ himself.

I was originally cheering for a Day or Westwood win but now I'm really hoping Tiger can pull it off just to see the stream of tears from Twitter, CP and so on. It's crazy how hate blinds people to the simple fact that he shouldn't be DQ'd but they want it, so he should just do it.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by transplant99

You dont get DQ'd for breaking the rules...thats a 2 stroke penalty which he was assessed...you get that for signing an incorrect scorecard which was not his fault as the rules committee had said there was no violation BEFORE he signed his card and changed their ruling AFTER he signed his card.

Any player would have the exact same treatment.

Not one player would have been DQ'd for this. Fact

Tiger did not know he cheated or he would not have said it on national TV. After review, before he turned in his card he was told it was fine. You cannot be disqualified because of TV interviews.

Any golfer would be treated the same. The ONLY difference is that other golfers wouldn't be hearing about how they should be disqualified because they also cheated on their wife. Yuck

[moon]

Originally Posted by gonzo29

A) I wouldn't call this a blatant cheat, it's not like Tiger freaking Woods was trying to cheat with a million eyes on him.

B) Moving back about a club length is not a big advantage, it is pretty much the definition of a miniscule advantage. And for that, he was appropriately penalized 2 shots.

Blatant cheat in that every golfer I have heard today said they knew that rule and that everyone on your would/should know that rule. It wasn't a tiny leaf moving or a dirt pile considered one of 300 traps. It was a play made that every guy has said was clearly breaking the rules.

And I will defer to the experts who say it is a big advantage not minuscule which is why he did it.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by moon

Blatant cheat in that every golfer I have heard today said they knew that rule and that everyone on your would/should know that rule. It wasn't a tiny leaf moving or a dirt pile considered one of 300 traps. It was a play made that every guy has said was clearly breaking the rules.

And I will defer to the experts who say it is a big advantage not minuscule which is why he did it.

So why does Dustin Johnson get a pass for not knowing that rule?

I mean they only sent out letters to all the golfers before the tourney about the EXACT thing that got him in trouble.

Exactly what I was saying. It's about Tiger, not about the rule being broken.

[moon]

Originally Posted by HOOT

So why does Dustin Johnson get a pass for not knowing that rule?

I mean they only sent out letters to all the golfers before the tourney about the EXACT thing that got him in trouble.

Exactly what I was saying. It's about Tiger, not about the rule being broken.

Who said he got a pass?

I think he should have been punished for it.

I just can understand missing that a lot more than a rule you deal with at almost every course you play.

[trackercowe]

I feel bad for whoever wins the Masters, especially if Woods finishes only one or two shots behind him. No matter who wins this will be the story coming out of the tournament for the next couple weeks at least.

They are explaining it right now, and the two shot penalty makes sense. Calling for him to withdraw is just ridiculous.

Edit: One thing is if I am a golfer from now on I would refuse to discuss these types of situations. Tiger basically implicated himself by talking about the drop during his interview, and nothing would have been done if it had not been brought up during the interview. It would be best to avoid the subject altogether from now on to avoid an issue like this.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by moon

Who said he got a pass?

I think he should have been punished for it.

I just can understand missing that a lot more than a rule you deal with at almost every course you play.

I'm just saying that if Johnson would have signed his card not knowing any better and was DQ'd on the 72nd hole people would have been fighting for him, not against him. Luckily the rules official knew the rule before he had time to sign it.

And as far as I know bunkers are as common as water hazards on the PGA tour. Mistakes happen, and in both cases the score was corrected and the right decision was made.

If Tiger (who apparently to some was trying to cheat) didn't say something on television no one would know the difference and he would be 3 off the lead going into the weekend. He made a mistake and is not 5 off the lead.

Again this has more to do with Tiger than a rule being broken (and corrected).

[gonzo29]

You are literally the only person claiming that he broke the rule knowingly. He did it because it was a slight advantage, but an advantage all the same. If he knew he was breaking a rule he wouldn't have done it, plain and simple. If you think Tiger Woods chose to try and knowingly cheat, for the first time in his career, at the 15th hole of The Masters with literally millions of people watching his every move, then I don't know what to tell you, other than you couldn't be more wrong.

EDIT: Replying to moon.

[moon]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I'm just saying that if Johnson would have signed his card not knowing any better and was DQ'd on the 72nd hole people would have been fighting for him, not against him. Luckily the rules official knew the rule before he had time to sign it.

And as far as I know bunkers are as common as water hazards on the PGA tour. Mistakes happen, and in both cases the score was corrected and the right decision was made.

If Tiger (who apparently to some was trying to cheat) didn't say something on television no one would know the difference and he would be 3 off the lead going into the weekend. He made a mistake and is not 5 off the lead.

Again this has more to do with Tiger than a rule being broken (and corrected).

Hard to say what would or wouldn't have happened with Johnson but I agree people would be more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt or fight for him since he isn't a POS on and off the golf course.

But I still think this is about Tiger breaking the rules and then benefitting from a very ambigous rule that seems to protect him technically but is not the true purpose of the rule.

I am going on what I hear from the experts that know a lot more than I do on the matter and even Tiger apologist and sycophant Notah Begay has been very, very careful in saying anything to support Tiger here.

I think Tiger being involved obviously changes the reaction on both sides from people but the main thing is the rule broken and the new rule in place. It has a lot more to do with that than some anti-Tiger sentiments.

[moon]

Originally Posted by gonzo29

You are literally the only person claiming that he broke the rule knowingly. He did it because it was a slight advantage, but an advantage all the same. If he knew he was breaking a rule he wouldn't have done it, plain and simple. If you think Tiger Woods chose to try and knowingly cheat, for the first time in his career, at the 15th hole of The Masters with literally millions of people watching his every move, then I don't know what to tell you, other than you couldn't be more wrong.

EDIT: Replying to moon.

Have you listened to the Golf Channel, every single golfer there said that he would have known the rule. That is what I have said all along here.

I am not saying )and never did say) he thought hey screw this I am going to get one over on the Masters, I think he thought that he preferred the shot 4 yards back and didn't think about the rules and went ahead and took the shot.

[gonzo29]

Originally Posted by moon

Have you listened to the Golf Channel, every single golfer there said that he would have known the rule. That is what I have said all along here.

I am not saying )and never did say) he thought hey screw this I am going to get one over on the Masters, I think he thought that he preferred the shot 4 yards back and didn't think about the rules and went ahead and took the shot.

Ah I see. I must admit that he should have known the rule, which is what they've been saying on the Golf Channel. Not really sure why he screwed it up, but he's being appropriately penalized.

[T@T]

I don't think I ever pulled for Tiger as I do now, if he can come back from this kind of adversity on the course it would be simpley amazing.

[gonzo29]

Interesting that Faldo, who initially had said that he thought Tiger should withdraw, has now changed his opinion after learning more about rule 33-7 which is quite new and hasn't been invoked in any memorable way before. Of course uber Tiger hater Brandel Chamblee will continue to attack Tiger's character on the Golf Channel.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by gonzo29

Interesting that Faldo, who initially had said that he thought Tiger should withdraw, has now changed his opinion after learning more about rule 33-7 which is quite new and hasn't been invoked in any memorable way before. Of course uber Tiger hater Brandel Chamblee will continue to attack Tiger's character on the Golf Channel.

I think it's taken time but everyone understand what happened and the ruling was correct.

For everyone who says it's stupid for viewers to call in and get players DQ'd, it no longer exists but players still get a penalty.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by moon

Have you listened to the Golf Channel, every single golfer there said that he would have known the rule. That is what I have said all along here.

I am not saying )and never did say) he thought hey screw this I am going to get one over on the Masters, I think he thought that he preferred the shot 4 yards back and didn't think about the rules and went ahead and took the shot.

Are you adding yardage to help your point, or....?

Regardless if everyone on the planet knew the rule or not, the golfer and the rules official obviously didn't catch it. I'm sure, just like he did today, Tiger would have accepted the penalty walking off the 15th green if he was told.

It's also easy for these guys sitting in a studio to point and say "I knew it" just like I was scratching my head watching it on TV. But when you hit a perfect shot and find the water with an unlucky break it can play with you on the golf course. There is a possibility that said golfer wasn't fully thinking because of that unlucky break.

I'm not comparing anything to the Masters or Tiger Woods but from experience when I got my card I almost didn't get it because of a similar stupid mistake of not reading the rules correctly. It's easy in the moment, with the amount of rules in golf, to not think about the rule book and think about your next shot and/or tournament. Mistakes happen, Tiger made one and was penalized for it once the rules officials realized their mistake as well.

Pretty easy for people sitting in a studio to say "I would DQ myself" but in reality they are competitors and if the officials say play on, they would. They are just playing it up for the television and to add to the Tiger Woods hate/drama for those who feed into that kinda thing.

[gonzo29]

After a lip-out like that, gotta think it's not Tiger's week. That was a good 450 degrees around the cup.

[Bobblehead]

What I find kind of weird is what did Tiger tell the committee (after the round, before he signed his card) that they decided not to do anything, yet when he talks to the media and says he moved the ball back the committee now feels thy need to contact him again and apply the penalty?

What was said in that first meeting?


And players I heard didn't say he should be DQed, they believe he should withdraw. And the reasoning seems to be that in a sport where you generally call your own penalties, you shouldn't continue when you know you broke a rule (accidentally or not) AND knowingly benefited from breaking it.