Do not trade Iginla thread

[Sheva #7]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I am just saying that I would rather have positive assets than nothing... How do you know this "####ty" 29th overall player won't turn out to be the next franchise player.

Is it really a hard concept to understand? I really hope you aren't a businessman or anything that helps you to succeed. You would be the type of guy who wouldnt take a promotion at work because you will miss "your current office space".

Nothing personal, I am just not sure what you are trying to say... You would rather have him walk then get a first for him?? Pathetic

No it's much simpler than that. I'd resign him. Can't believe all the people and media who want to run him out of town.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by Sakari

I fail to see how trading him to Pittsburgh, then he wins a cup, we lose him for one month then he comes and resigns, so basically we get assets out of pittsburgh for nothing, is a bad idea?

I see no reason he'd return to this mess in a few months. If he does ever come back if he's traded, it's a few years down the road when this mess is somewhat turned around.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by Sheva #7

No it's much simpler than that. I'd resign him. Can't believe all the people and media who want to run him out of town.

It's not about running him out of town, it's about moving on. As long as he's here serious changes won't happen. He's said before he will not be part of a rebuild, and it's looking like that's what's going to happen whether management likes it or not. He's leaving either way, may as well get something for him.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Sheva #7

No it's much simpler than that. I'd resign him. Can't believe all the people and media who want to run him out of town.

"Running him out of town" is not what most want. You mischaracterize the situation.

What most people are doing is acknowledging reality. Part of reality includes Iginla saying that he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild. Part of reality includes acknowledging the fact that we've been forced to rebuild this season. We are forced to rebuild because this is one of the older teams in the NHL, this is one of the worst teams in the NHL, and this team lacks a lot of high end young players and prospects.

So when you properly identify the reality of the situation it becomes clear that the Flames need to move some older players. Given that Iginla is one of the most valuable players, doesn't want to be part of a rebuild, and would like to win a cup it benefits both Iginla and the Flames to move him now.

Are you in denial about the reality I've spelled out above? Lots of posters have said they would rather Iginla was a career Flame but because of the reality of the situation that isn't the best course for the long term health of the Flames.

If you really like Iginla wouldn't you want him to have a chance at winning the cup? Or would you rather he spent his twilight years on a crappy team that is going nowhere? I think the latter would be more likely to tarnish his reputation and the team's.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Sheva #7

No it's much simpler than that. I'd resign him. Can't believe all the people and media who want to run him out of town.

You are assuming he wants to re-sign here. If I was him, I would not want to be on the list of greatest players without a cup, it is a bad asterik to have and I would hate it.

[Sheva #7]

I think Jarome wants to stay but he's bein run out of town with all the fans and media blame him for the team's problems. Hockey is not tennis, you can't single-handedly win games but why trade him? Resign him and continue rebuilding on the fly with him. Like I said, trade one of bouw gio butler glenx cammi stemp if you want "blood". It's not like we don't have any other assets than Iginla

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Sheva #7

I think Jarome wants to stay but he's bein run out of town with all the fans and media blame him for the team's problems. Hockey is not tennis, you can't single-handedly win games but why trade him? Resign him and continue rebuilding on the fly with him. Like I said, trade one of bouw gio butler glenx cammi stemp if you want "blood". It's not like we don't have any other assets than Iginla

I don't thnk people blame him or are running him out of town, it is the realization that we will not be a competitive team in the next 3 or 4 years.

I am not so sure he wants to stay, worst case is he walks in the summer. I would rather get a crappy return than have that happen, it would really hurt his legacy.

I don't know what you do for work but would you want to continue working with a company that is falling apart?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Sheva #7

I think Jarome wants to stay but he's bein run out of town with all the fans and media blame him for the team's problems. Hockey is not tennis, you can't single-handedly win games but why trade him? Resign him and continue rebuilding on the fly with him. Like I said, trade one of bouw gio butler glenx cammi stemp if you want "blood". It's not like we don't have any other assets than Iginla

You are again mischaracterizing what some of us are thinking.

We are not singlehandedly blaming him for everything and running him out of town. Only a few posters are saying that and they do not represent the entire fanbase.

What doesn't make sense in your post is that Iginla himself has said he does not want to be part of a rebuild. So your bolded sentence above is a not a valid scenario.

We're not trading players for "blood". We're trading older players for younger players/picks to improve the long term health of the team and to give us a chance to compete again in the future.

This team is old. This team is sucking. This team needs to rebuild. Iginla does not want to be part of a rebuild. Add it all up and it makes sense to trade Iginla. You just aren't accepting the reality of the situation. I understand why people might not be able to emotionally accept it but there it is.

What is annoying is that you assume people are "running him out of town" or "want blood". Quit generalizing about the entire fanbase, you obviously don't understand or know what we're thinking.

[Sheva #7]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I don't thnk people blame him or are running him out of town, it is the realization that we will not be a competitive team in the next 3 or 4 years.

I am not so sure he wants to stay, worst case is he walks in the summer. I would rather get a crappy return than have that happen, it would really hurt his legacy.

I don't know what you do for work but would you want to continue working with a company that is falling apart?

Jarome strikes me as the type of guy who wouldn't abandon the sinking ship on his own accord. Sure it is easier to leave, move on and try win a cup Ray Bourque style, but this would imply accepting that you have failed at the present challenge of turning the Flames around, which is hard thing to accept, it's always hard to accept that you have failed at something. Of course I might be wrong, but I do think Jarome wants to stay as he still believes in Flames, however if asked he'd waive as he has too much pride. So in this case I think he was asked an he did waive ( pure speculation of course) which is why I'm saying we should have tried to resign him and not trade him. I'm sure he'd take hometown discount after all these years as well as a chance to have another opportunity to lead this team into a playoff with fresh mindset next year and some adjustments to the roster. Flame away..

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Sheva #7

I'm sure he'd take hometown discount after all these years as well as a chance to have another opportunity to lead this team into a playoff with fresh mindset next year and some adjustments to the roster.

What makes you think they have a realistic chance of making the playoffs next year after 4 years out and potentially the worst season in Flames history? Seriously answer that question please.

He said he didn't want to be part of a rebuild. You haven't addressed this.

You seem to be in denial about where the team is and what Jarome himself has said.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Sheva #7

Jarome strikes me as the type of guy who wouldn't abandon the sinking ship on his own accord. Sure it is easier to leave, move on and try win a cup Ray Bourque style, but this would imply accepting that you have failed at the present challenge of turning the Flames around, which is hard thing to accept, it's always hard to accept that you have failed at something. Of course I might be wrong, but I do think Jarome wants to stay as he still believes in Flames, however if asked he'd waive as he has too much pride. So in this case I think he was asked an he did waive ( pure speculation of course) which is why I'm saying we should have tried to resign him and not trade him. I'm sure he'd take hometown discount after all these years as well as a chance to have another opportunity to lead this team into a playoff with fresh mindset next year and some adjustments to the roster. Flame away..

Flames ownership and management have been on record many times in the last year saying they want Iggy to reitre a flame. Feaster said so before the season started. Conroy said that Iggy was going to take a "wait and see" approach to figure out his plans going forward. I really think you are in denial. It is more than likely that if a trade list has gone down, it sbecuase Iggy has decided its best to move on. The guy has said he would rather win than stay on the same team all his life. I am not sure you need to know much more than that with the Iggy situation.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Sheva #7

I think Jarome wants to stay but he's bein run out of town with all the fans and media blame him for the team's problems. Hockey is not tennis, you can't single-handedly win games but why trade him? Resign him and continue rebuilding on the fly with him. Like I said, trade one of bouw gio butler glenx cammi stemp if you want "blood". It's not like we don't have any other assets than Iginla

He is not being" run out of town". He wants to win and that will not happen in Calgary.

[Sheva #7]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

What makes you think they have a realistic chance of making the playoffs next year after 4 years out and potentially the worst season in Flames history? Seriously answer that question please.

He said he didn't want to be part of a rebuild. You haven't addressed this.

You seem to be in denial about where the team is and what Jarome himself has said.

Did you think that Ottawa can turn it around so quick? Or Philly? Answer that question honestly please.

When he said he didn't want to be part of the rebuild, to me, it seemed like he was more talking about the lines of full blown oiler style tank rebuild. Flames should be aiming at Ottawa, Philly, Boston type on the fly rebuild, I'm sure he'd be fine with that.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Sheva #7

Did you think that Ottawa can turn it around so quick? Or Philly? Answer that question honestly please.

When he said he didn't want to be part of the rebuild, to me, it seemed like he was more talking about the lines of full blown oiler style tank rebuild. Flames should be aiming at Ottawa, Philly, Boston type on the fly rebuild, I'm sure he'd be fine with that.

The flames do not have the assets that Philly or Ottawa had. Ottawa had Spezza and Karlson. Philly had 2 young centers to trade.

Calgary has nothing. You are not getting top end players for Tangs, Glencross, Stempniak,ect... The only one that might bring top end talent would be Bouw. and even then they would have to eat half of his salary. The flames more than likely will not be making the playoffs in the next couple of years no matter what they do.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Sheva #7

Did you think that Ottawa can turn it around so quick? Or Philly? Answer that question honestly please.

I don't believe we have the young players and assets that those teams had.

I'd love a quick turnaround, retool. But realistically we're gonna suck next year as well. We just don't have the key guys in the 20-25 year old range and don't have the assets to acquire enough of those guys. Especially if we don't trade Iginla. Iginla may still fetch us one of those young guys.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

My two cents:

Iginla's career as a Flame is already over. The only thing left to decide is whether we get something back for him or not. Strike now while the iron is hot.

[Sheva #7]

Sure, Peter Regin, Colin Greening, Zack Smith, Erik Condra, Jared Cowen are all top household prospect names

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Sheva #7

Sure, Peter Regin, Colin Greening, Zack Smith, Erik Condra, Jared Cowen are all top household prospect names

Cherry pick much? Ever heard of Erik Karlsson? Highest scoring d-man in the league at a young age, Norris contender.

I do know Jared Cowan's name actually he was a top 10 pick. Should be a household name amongst those who follow drafts.

In 2009 they picked a Swedish kid in the 2nd round. Silfverberg now has almost the same number of goals as Tanguay, Iginla, Cammalleri, etc. They also picked Robin Lehner in the 2nd round that year. You know a guy better than any goalie we have at the moment.

They picked Foligno in the first round and he turned out as well. They dealt him for defensive help (Methot).

Ottawa's drafting has been better than ours. They had more prospects than we currently have. It's just a fact regardless of how well known these prospects are or not.

Now you are just being obtuse.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Sheva #7

When he said he didn't want to be part of the rebuild, to me, it seemed like he was more talking about the lines of full blown oiler style tank rebuild. Flames should be aiming at Ottawa, Philly, Boston type on the fly rebuild, I'm sure he'd be fine with that.

It's not about aim but the results. Iginla wants the Flames to be able to "rebuild on the fly" but the Flames are about to miss the playoffs for 4 straights seasons and there's no end in sight. Iginla is not a fool. The newest editions, Wideman and Hudler, are having decent seasons and yet the team is competing for #1 overall rather than the playoffs. Had say Irving established himself as an up and coming #1 goalie and Sven looked like a blossoming Rocket Richard Trophy contender this season, Iginla might look at things differently, but right now the team's future is at best uncertain. Maybe Sven will be a 30+ scorer one day but Iginla can't be sure and he certainly doesn't know when.

[PeteLFan]

It's hard to let go, but what is he going to accomplish by staying? We have no young players to surround him with, we are a bottom feeder. He's just going to keep losing here, and keep getting thrashed by fans and media, because he was unable to draft better and make better signings.