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[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Uch, this is the kind of crap I can't stand and Feaster just loves. I'm glad he went for it but stop feeding us these consolation quotes. Yeah yeah yeah, they went hard after Richards and O'Reilly wanted to be a Calgary Flame. Well Richards isn't a Flame and neither is O'Reilly. I'm glad you tried but you don't need to just go for homeruns either. Drives me crazy and very Oilers-esque about how they are going to go hard after free agents or whatever. Let your actions speak but also let the quality of the team speak.

O'Reilly signed the sheet. The rest was out of his control. I think Feaster's acquisitions have been great considering the state of this franchise and the popular views about it. He signed Hudler, Wideman and the best player in the KHL. Then he got a 22 year old RFA stud to sign an offer sheet. Nothing wrong with his comments.

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

O'Reilly signed the sheet. The rest was out of his control. I think Feaster's acquisitions have been great considering the state of this franchise and the popular views about it. He signed Hudler, Wideman and the best player in the KHL. Then he got a 22 year old RFA stud to sign an offer sheet. Nothing wrong with his comments.

Everything you said is correct but ultimately the players he has are what matters. Not interested in what he tried to do and didn't pan out no matter how close he was or how much a player wanted to be here or whatever.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Uch, this is the kind of crap I can't stand and Feaster just loves. I'm glad he went for it but stop feeding us these consolation quotes. Yeah yeah yeah, they went hard after Richards and O'Reilly wanted to be a Calgary Flame. Well Richards isn't a Flame and neither is O'Reilly. I'm glad you tried but you don't need to just go for homeruns either. Drives me crazy and very Oilers-esque about how they are going to go hard after free agents or whatever. Let your actions speak but also let the quality of the team speak.

There is nothing else out there, and he has tried to address the center position the only he we can. Hell, he went and signed Cervenka from the K to try and sort this very problem out.

He is going to get asked, and he has to address the medias questions. He is only being honest.

What more can he do? Tried to over pay for Richards, NYC was simply more enticing. maybe with a Getzlaff or Perry he will give them propriety of the Calgary Tower as a signing bonus or something eh?

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't think that had anything to do with the offer.

Avs and Isles are two weird organizations that seem to have GMs that can't play nice in the sandbox. Sherman came out of nowhere and Snow came off the bench to be GM. Weird for Sherman to not ask for players in return for O'Reilly, instead he tells fellow GMs to 'make me an offer'. Some people bitch about Feaster but I'd rather have him at the helm than either of those two clowns.

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

There is nothing else out there, and he has tried to address the center position the only he we can. Hell, he went and signed Cervenka from the K to try and sort this very problem out.

He is going to get asked, and he has to address the medias questions. He is only being honest.

What more can he do? Tried to over pay for Richards, NYC was simply more enticing. maybe with a Getzlaff or Perry he will give them propriety of the Calgary Tower as a signing bonus or something eh?

The problem is that this seems to be Feater's mentality. I applaud his efforts to get Richards and O'Reilly but those are not the only options that would improve the center ice position of this hockey club. There are plenty of centers he can be going after that are not as glitzy or as good as those guys, but the team has one center on the team. The only way to address the position is not just by swinging for homeruns and it continues to be an embarrassment that there is one center on the ice night in and night out for this team.

[Vinny01]

Feaster just said what I hoped. Looks like they are willing to make moves and soon

[ricosuave]

Not sure if this is what jazzy flame meant, but...

O'well

Kudos for feaster and co for trying. I was getting excited.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Everything you said is correct but ultimately the players he has are what matters. Not interested in what he tried to do and didn't pan out no matter how close he was or how much a player wanted to be here or whatever.

Yes you are, that's why you're here talking about it.

[browna]

Feaster said on Snet they had "discussions about trading, but the asking price is too steep and will negatively effect our future so then decided to go out and make this move". But then two or three sentences later goes onto say it means the Flames are in play and they're like a "tiger" ready to pounce.

Well, its been 24 hours since that decision to go after ROR, and now you're back to the only option, where the asking prices are too steep. And you've shown your cards now, so I don't think anyone is going to be surprised, and you're at the same trading road block you were before this move.


Feaster also said that they did this today...wasn't in the works for the last few days.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by calgARI

The problem is that this seems to be Feater's mentality. I applaud his efforts to get Richards and O'Reilly but those are not the only options that would improve the center ice position of this hockey club. There are plenty of centers he can be going after that are not as glitzy or as good as those guys, but the team has one center on the team. The only way to address the position is not just by swinging for homeruns and it continues to be an embarrassment that there is one center on the ice night in and night out for this team.

But the team doesn't need more Stajans. They need some high end talent at centre, and they've needed it for years upon years. That's why he's going for it.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think there is a good chance he comes here in the summer of 2014 when the Avs decide not to qualify him

Seems doubtful they let him go for nothing and he goes wherever he is getting paid the most based on his actions.

Seems highly doubtful his signing the offer sheet had anything to do with Calgary and everything to do with the overpay.

[Psytic]

wrong thread

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by calgARI

The problem is that this seems to be Feater's mentality. I applaud his efforts to get Richards and O'Reilly but those are not the only options that would improve the center ice position of this hockey club. There are plenty of centers he can be going after that are not as glitzy or as good as those guys, but the team has one center on the team. The only way to address the position is not just by swinging for homeruns and it continues to be an embarrassment that there is one center on the ice night in and night out for this team.

There's no point in going after the lesser guys. Go big or go home, and if we keep thinking Daymond Langkow/Craig Conroy types are going to be enough to ride the coat tails of talented wingers, we will continue to falter when it matters most.

Feaster has made more effort to improve the centre position in his two years on the job than Sutter in his last eight. He drafted Jankowski, signed cervenka, now this, in addition to the Richards attempt. He has shown what he truly values. Talented centres. As long as he remains committed to stockpiling as many centres as he can get his hands on, he's on the right track. But at a certain point, the guy can only do so much.

And wasting assets to acquire lesser players is not the way to go about business.

[JazzyFlame]

Lets hope they strapped them selves

[moon]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

There's no point in going after the lesser guys. Go big or go home, and if we keep thinking Daymond Langkow/Craig Conroy types are going to be enough to ride the coat tails of talented wingers, we will continue to falter when it matters most.

Feaster has made more effort to improve the centre position in his two years on the job than Sutter in his last eight. He drafted Jankowski, signed cervenka, now this, in addition to the Richards attempt. He has shown what he truly values. Talented centres. As long as he remains committed to stockpiling as many centres as he can get his hands on, he's on the right track. But at a certain point, the guy can only do so much.

And wasting assets to acquire lesser players is not the way to go about business.

He has made such an effort that we have a grand total of 1 natural center playing for us tonight.

But hey he gets to talk about how close he came to severely overpaying for two guys. I guess that is better than actually improving the team.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by moon

Seems doubtful they let him go for nothing and he goes wherever he is getting paid the most based on his actions.

Seems highly doubtful his signing the offer sheet had anything to do with Calgary and everything to do with the overpay.

Don't the Avs have to qualify him at $6.5 or renounce his rights and he goes UFA?

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by calgARI

The problem is that this seems to be Feater's mentality. I applaud his efforts to get Richards and O'Reilly but those are not the only options that would improve the center ice position of this hockey club. There are plenty of centers he can be going after that are not as glitzy or as good as those guys, but the team has one center on the team. The only way to address the position is not just by swinging for homeruns and it continues to be an embarrassment that there is one center on the ice night in and night out for this team.

Cervenka costed no assets, Richards would have cost none, and O'reilly would have got a 22 year old for a draft pick. None of these moves cost or would have sacrificed long term success for short term success. I imagine that is the mode Feaster is in right now, and I'd be surprised if there was a lot out there that he hasn't pursued.

Good players under team control for more than a year or two don't come cheap if they are available at all. It makes no sense for us to trade anything of long term value for a short term fix. So, that leaves signing free agents, signing khl guys, and offer sheets as about the only option out there to provide immediate help without hurting our future.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

There's no point in going after the lesser guys. Go big or go home, and if we keep thinking Daymond Langkow/Craig Conroy types are going to be enough to ride the coat tails of talented wingers, we will continue to falter when it matters most.

Feaster has made more effort to improve the centre position in his two years on the job than Sutter in his last eight. He drafted Jankowski, signed cervenka, now this, in addition to the Richards attempt. He has shown what he truly values. Talented centres. As long as he remains committed to stockpiling as many centres as he can get his hands on, he's on the right track. But at a certain point, the guy can only do so much.

And wasting assets to acquire lesser players is not the way to go about business.

Exactly. If this team ever wants to be a true contender again they need elite players at the centre position. At least Feaster recognizes that.

[CASe333]

Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

Thats ok, I've made my point. You however came in pretty strong. Lets hear how you feel about this deal. After all its a discussion forum. Lets hear it Case333.

Thanks for understanding Buck. I do feel like a dick for just coming in and calling you names and then not even giving reasons why I disagree with you. There is a reason why I lurk more than participate as I get a little worked up sometimes.

Your point was that when we made the offer sheet the Avs were finally able to sign ROR making them a better team. Although this is true the Avs could have signed him for a much better deal all on their own and utilized him for the full season. We didn't give up anything so I am confused by your statement as we were not hurt at all and this is the part I find laughable.

As for the offer sheet, when I read about it my initial reaction was to be excited since it means that the organization is not throwing the towel in this year. Whether this is the best option is another debate. Is ROR worth a first in my opinion? Not if its a top 5 pick but I really don't believe we are a bottom 5 team unless more injuries happen.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Don't the Avs have to qualify him at $6.5 or renounce his rights and he goes UFA?

Or take him to arbitration or trade him before it gets to that point.