While Kipper is out, The Who Starts Next Game Thread - Page 6 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

noreply · 02-08-2013, 01:55 PM

We're SCREWED!
Who's next to go down?

FlamesAddiction · 02-08-2013, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

Leland Irving is a good goaltender.

He didn't look as good last night as he has in past games, but maybe we can cut the guy some slack as he hasnt played much of anything in the last year. With the PTO in Abby and playing behind one of the best goalies ever, he showed a little rust. But everytime I've watched Irivng play hes made at least a few saves that he had no business making. He'll be fine.

I agree, he is a good goalie that looks a little rusty. As someone else mentioned, he did well last season when called upon, with the exception of that brutal Boston game where the whole team sucked. I think it's acceptable to throw that game out.

I also think there is some truth to the statement that some players are better in the NHL than in the AHL, and this might be the case with Irving. Some players, and it seems like goalies especially, will play down to or elevate their games based on their opponents.

Having said that, I wouldn't mind seeing what Taylor can do. Hey, maybe he could be the next Tim Thomas. It's not unheard of for a goalie to emerge at the age of 26.

ah123 · 02-08-2013, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MyFlamesFirst

Also: If I was Hartley I would make a phone call to Troy Ward. Ask him about the two goaltenders and see what his opinion was. After-all, it is clear that Ward had much more confidence in Taylor this year then Irving.

As someone pointed out, the game in the AHL and NHL are at different levels. Hartley has seen both goaltenders play, so he has a sense of what he has on his bench.

Give Irving 4-5 games and if he proves he is not ready for this level, they can try Taylor.

MyFlamesFirst · 02-08-2013, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ah123

As someone pointed out, the game in the AHL and NHL are at different levels. Hartley has seen both goaltenders play, so he has a sense of what he has on his bench.

Give Irving 4-5 games and if he proves he is not ready for this level, they can try Taylor.

I have no problem with that. But at the end of the day what the Flames need is wins. I still think it is in the best interest of Hartley to call up Ward and ask for his opinion. Ward knows better than the both of us combined what each goaltender is capable of. He would have valuable insight on what to do in this situaton.

Calgary4LIfe · 02-08-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bax

I don't know how many times this needs to be said. Leland Irving was on a PTO in Abbotsford this year. He could only be dressed for a limited number of games due to this. He was basically in Abby to stay in shape and to get some practice time in. In no way, shape, or form did Taylor take the starting position away from Irving. If Feaster and the rest of the Flames management truly thought that Taylor was a better choice to be back up than Irving, then they would have glady gave Taylor a contract and sent Irving to the minors. Irving gets the start on saturday and even if things don't go well, he gets the start against Minny as long as Kipper isn't back yet.

I don't know how many times this needs to be said. Irving was on a PTO to start the year in Abby - 25 game PTO, with the ability to sign another 25 game PTO after, giving Irving a total of 50 games in the AHL.

Seriously, does nobody even follow the prospects and the Heat here? OMG, the same BS keeps getting regurgitated in EVER THREAD.

This thread is indeed VERY valid! Irving has continually lost his starter's job on the Heat in almost every single. Keetley took it. Taylor took it - TWICE! Even Brust passed him on the depth chart. Does anyone REALLY believe that this had ANYTHING to do with his PTO? Look at his GAA and SV%. Each goalie had an EQUAL number of starts in the beginning of the season. Irving had every opportunity to steal back the starting job, but instead, he fell back behind Brust. Brust actually ended up stealing the starting job from Taylor, but Taylor stepped it up and got it back (and ended up getting his contract here). Now people are 'incensed' that a question of who should start is even brought up? LoL Seriously?

Irving won, and he should go back in net. Taylor should get another good practice in before trying his luck. However, he definitely deserves it. Why didn't the Flames sign Taylor already? Waste of a contract space for having a backup show up for a max of 5 games this season, considering who is coming in the system, and how that will likely play out for next season.

Flames should definitely give Taylor a game or two and see if he had developed to the point of becoming a good NHL goalie. He may just be a very good AHL goalie, and may not hold his head above water in the NHL. I can believe that. But to think that Irving can be so inconsistent in the AHL, but be a good NHL goalie? Something doesn't make sense here... The Flames have both under contract for just this year. Play them both in the NHL, cut bait with whomever is the worst one. Winner gets to be on the Heat next season while Ramo is backing up Kipper next season. Who really cares if Irving is a first round pick, and Taylor isn't?

azzarish · 02-08-2013, 03:29 PM

Kipper on IR, but can come back on Wednesday.

tvp2003 · 02-08-2013, 05:06 PM

Don't know if it's been mentioned anywhere, but I figure it can go in here:

Taylor was wearing "non-approved" skates in the AHL but must switch to "standard" skates in the NHL. No idea what impact, if any, this would have on his game: http://ingoalmag.com/news/danny-tayl...come-with-him/

edn88 · 02-08-2013, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

HalifaxDrunk.

That's what I thought, unless he's out with a hip flexor or a sprained MCL, or conceivably is just drunk?

Dr. Pepper · 02-09-2013, 11:17 PM

Taylor time after the Canucks loss tonight? I thought Irving played pretty well actually - but I'm thinking it may be another little nudge to the rest of the lineup to step it up as the Canucks game was tough to watch...

Karl · 02-09-2013, 11:21 PM

Irving should get next game but if things don't improve after that, I'd definitely entertain the thought of giving Taylor a start.

Caged Great · 02-09-2013, 11:25 PM

If you saw the first game that Rinne played against the Flames in Calgary, you would've laughed if you would've said that he'd get a 7/49 deal at any point in his career. He gave up 6 goals, all on fairly easy shots, but did make a couple of close attempts that showed a bit of potential.

I'm not saying Irving is that, but you cannot tell with young goalies. Irving did make quite a few good stops tonight, and did let in a bad goal, but there was some flashes of him being at least competent as a starter. You need to see if that was just a flash or if it can be improved on further to see if he might actually be able to be relied on as a goalie for this year, next and beyond.

sun · 02-09-2013, 11:36 PM

No chance Taylor starts next game.

djsFlames · 02-09-2013, 11:39 PM

I vote 4 Taylor.

Signing a guy for 525,000 to open a gate is a tad bit of a waste.

Wth do you have to lose? This guy intrigues me.

You know Irvings likely going to be average again, and cough up a few goals even if the team plays well. Taylor outclassed Irving in Abby, maybe he does the same here? I don't know, no one does for sure. But windows of opportunity for goaltenders open up just about once in a millennium here in Calgary, so you give the kid a shot.

Karl · 02-09-2013, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sun

No chance Taylor starts next game.

Sure, but if things don't improve for Irving on Monday and Kipper's not ready to come back, I think they should at least think about starting Taylor after the Monday game.

Dion · 02-09-2013, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

I vote 4 Taylor.

Signing a guy for 525,000 to open a gate is a tad bit of a waste.

Wth do you have to lose? This guy intrigues me.

You know Irvings likely going to be average again, and cough up a few goals even if the team plays well. Taylor outclassed Irving in Abby, maybe he does the same here? I don't know, no one does for sure. But windows of opportunity for goaltenders open up just about once in a millennium here in Calgary, so you give the kid a shot.

It wasn't a case of being a waste. They needed someone to backup Irving while Kipper was injured and had no other goaltender with an NHL contract.

djsFlames · 02-09-2013, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dion

It wasn't a case of being a waste. They needed someone to backup Irving while Kipper was injured and had no other goaltender with an NHL contract.

Yes, still..

I was leaning more on the argument of the extremely infrequent opportunities for goalies not named Kipper occurring on the Flames. An experiment could not hurt (you can yank the guy, if needed). Not like Minny are playing like world beaters anyways.

Karl · 02-09-2013, 11:51 PM

Experimenting with giving Taylor a start can't really hurt this team if Irving doesn't do much better after Monday.

Alberta_Beef · 02-10-2013, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

I vote 4 Taylor.

Signing a guy for 525,000 to open a gate is a tad bit of a waste.

Wth do you have to lose? This guy intrigues me.

You know Irvings likely going to be average again, and cough up a few goals even if the team plays well. Taylor outclassed Irving in Abby, maybe he does the same here? I don't know, no one does for sure. But windows of opportunity for goaltenders open up just about once in a millennium here in Calgary, so you give the kid a shot.

they won't pay him $525,000, in fact with the small amount of time he will be in the NH: he probably won't even makes $20,000 of that.

VANFLAMESFAN · 02-10-2013, 01:26 AM

As weird as it sounds, I thought Irving looked better tonight giving up 5 goals tonight than he did giving up 3 on Thursday. He came up big on some real solid canuck chances. I didn't like a couple goals/rebounds tonight, but I liked a lot of the rest of his night;s work.

I think you gotta give him the start again on Monday. But Kipper, we need you.

Dion · 02-10-2013, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Yes, still..

I was leaning more on the argument of the extremely infrequent opportunities for goalies not named Kipper occurring on the Flames. An experiment could not hurt (you can yank the guy, if needed). Not like Minny are playing like world beaters anyways.

I would argue that in a shortened season you don't have the luxury of experimenting with another goaltender. Especially with one that has no NHL experience. Kiprusoff would have played all the games except maybe a couple if it weren't for his injury.