In 5 years, which NHL team will be the strongest?

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by $ven27

Well, because pretty much every team has some degree of a winning past/culture. Yes the Flames have had some degree of success for a few years with prime Iggy, Kipper, etc, and yes the 80's Flames were awesome, But you're kidding yourself if you can say the 90s/early 2000s were successful, they were horrible. I'm not sure why you're attacking everyone, if you don't like how people respond to your posts, don't post.

Forget it man, if I seriously have to explain what I mean to you about the Flames organization as a whole having a lot of team and individual honors~ then it's not worth my time to explain it to you.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Did I say the early 90's and early 2000's were successful at all ? As for attacking everyone, I don't, but I'm getting sick and tired of a couple of people nit picking for the sake of nit picking and feeling like I'm talking to a Canucks fan vs a Flames fan. Feels like I'm talking with more woman then men at times.

We both admit that the 80's and late 2000's were considered successful for the most part. take away the 90s and early 2000's and there's no Flames seasons, so I don't get where this " Successful Organization " stuff from. Yeah they were at one time considered a Successful organization, but not today no. The flames aren't the only team who have honored players, it's not hard to understand. Just because people don't agree with your rose-colored glasses idea's doesn't merit completely losing it.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Forget it man, if I seriously have to explain what I mean to you about the Flames organization as a whole having a lot of team and individual honors~ then it's not worth my time to explain it to you.

3 playoff series wins since 1990. 2004 was obviously magical and it rejuvenated the team and the fanbase but that was 8 years ago and the Flames have yet to win a series since. It isn't an insult to say that the team has been a disappointment and hasn't had a winning tradition more than the Islanders or the Oilers.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

3 playoff series wins since 1990. 2004 was obviously magical and it rejuvenated the team and the fanbase but that was 8 years ago and the Flames have yet to win a series since. It isn't an insult to say that the team has been a disappointment and hasn't had a winning tradition more than the Islanders or the Oilers.

Agreed.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Regardless to base ones future potential on past results from teams that now have different management, scouts, and coaches seems foolish. I don't think Montreal is going to be a powerhouse because Sam Pollock was a great GM in the 1970s, likewise Calgary's future has nothing to do with the tradition of winning in the 80s before many of the Flames prospects were a thought.

The other thing is especially with prospects is it really is a crapshoot and it is really easy to overestimate one's own teams prospects.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Regardless to base ones future potential on past results from teams that now have different management, scouts, and coaches seems foolish. I don't think Montreal is going to be a powerhouse because Sam Pollock was a great GM in the 1970s, likewise Calgary's future has nothing to do with the tradition of winning in the 80s before many of the Flames prospects were a thought.

The other thing is especially with prospects is it really is a crapshoot and it is really easy to overestimate one's own teams prospects.

Oh for sure- And trust me, I'm not basing our future on the past. I just really like the little moves the organization has done in terms of scouting, coaching, GM. I like our last 2 years of drafting and I believe that there are guys like Sven, Sieloff who could turn into solid players and who knows, maybe some surprises along the way. We seem to be drafting better with a different philosophy and I like that too. The next 5 years of drafting should be interesting. All in all, I love the direction we are going and I love the fact that the team doesn't want to do a complete rip it down re-build and wants to compete every year. I love thew additions of Hudler, Cervenka, Wideman, Rammo. I like that there is more attention being paid to stocking our prospects- like adding Street, Aliu, etc. I like the focus that Jay has put on these things because they were pretty much ignored it seems during the Sutter years.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by $ven27

We both admit that the 80's and late 2000's were considered successful for the most part. take away the 90s and early 2000's and there's no Flames seasons, so I don't get where this " Successful Organization " stuff from. Yeah they were at one time considered a Successful organization, but not today no. The flames aren't the only team who have honored players, it's not hard to understand. Just because people don't agree with your rose-colored glasses idea's doesn't merit completely losing it.

Lol- sorry man. I agree I do tend to wear rose- colored glasses when it comes to the Flames, and being 37 and have followed them forever, I tend to try and only remember the good 'ol days- I know that's not right or in the now and I do tend to get a bit " Don Cherryish" at times. My apologies for being on the offensive and hope you have a good night.

[troutman]

BTW, there is a Bolivian soccer team, actually called The Strongest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strongest

[cannon7]

I'm sad to say that I think, with enough #1 overall picks, the Edmonton Oilers will eventually get it right. That Shultz kid is lighting up the AHL, so they're even having good fortune with FAs.


The Avalanche have a strong young group, as do the Blues.

[hansmoleman]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

just to give an example of how hard this would be

in 2007 the Anaheim Mighty Ducks won the stanley cup led by 3 players under 22 all coming off huge years and bigger playoffs (Perry/Getzlaf/Penner)

They now would be in the discussion for bottom 5 teams in the league

The St.Louis Blues, Chicago Blackhawks, Montreal Canadians, Edmonton Oilers, Phoenix Coyotes, Edmonton Oilers all were ranked as having top 10 prospect groups

only 1 of them (Chicago) was ever in the discussion as being the best team the last 5 years


meaning that it's extremely hard to predict, outside of Detroit always being in the mix

I havent been on CP in like 5 years but found this old thread I posted last time I was active. Funny reading through who everyone thought would be successful around now.

Detroit always in the mix?

Seguin leading the way for Boston?

Jankowski breaking through in 2017?

Goes to show that those who said 5 years is too hard to predict were pretty right.

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

If we miss a year and the draft goes down the same way it did the last time we had a lockout, could you imagine if Edmonton got another 1st overall?

I'd jump in front of a bus.

I hope you didn't hurt yourself too much.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by hansmoleman

I havent been on CP in like 5 years but found this old thread I posted last time I was active. Funny reading through who everyone thought would be successful around now.

Detroit always in the mix?

Seguin leading the way for Boston?

Jankowski breaking through in 2017?

Goes to show that those who said 5 years is too hard to predict were pretty right.

Janko broke through in the AHL in 2017....

[polak]

One thing is still true. The Flames are around 5 years away

[Cali Panthers Fan]

So many lifetime suspensions and guys/girls that just don't post anymore. Kinda makes me sad.

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I don't think the Sharks will be close at all. Boyle, Thornton, and Marleau are all on the wrong side of 30. Havlat is always hurt, Burns took a step back since being traded, and Niemi isn't the solid franchise goalie they need. Todd McLellan plays an uptempo style that attacks hard, but they need an injection of youth in their top 6 to stay competitive. They have a good GM, but I think the Sharks are on the downswing once play resumes.

[Young_Guns]

5 years from now, the strongest team in the NHL will be the Quebec Nordiques