Standing a 2 year old child (You know how much balance kids have at that age? Next to none) on a 5 foot tall fence, 14 feet above a pit of 11 killer dogs is complete negligence.
If you turned your back on a child near a busy street and they run into the street, that would be negligence. If the child somehow got loose and ran into traffic, that wouldn't be negligence.
I can't believe you compared a child in a shopping cart to someone placing a child on a rail
Having looked at the picture of the railing it is fairly clear the mum would have to be holding the kid on the railing, not having the kid 'balance' on his own like a Mighty Wallender. I have no doubt the kid then sliped off and she din't have the strength to hold him, maybe didn't have a good grip or the kid lunged foward, I would guess the dogs were milling below and the toddler couldn't see them or the like.
Look at the pictures. The railing is no more then a meter high at some point and these ARE NOT wolves. They're smaller then a labrador.
Like I said, you're not in a battle royale here. You get the kid and you get out or at least try and get away. You only need to survive long enough for others to come in and help.
These things ain't lassie
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Yeah, its not like its a few dogs at the park, these are pack animals.
Sure an adult would last longer than a 2 year old, but would that even be long enough?
I'm thinking if one guy jumps, another will follow and so on. I agree the first guy would get messed up pretty bad no doubt about that and I'm not blaming any bystandards for not jumping in (I still don't get how the mom didnt) I'm just saying I think it might have played out differently if it would've happend (assuming the fall didn't kill the kid).
Some keeper would have gotten in there within a minute max. You don't think an adult male could last that long?
Remember a toddler can't run. An adult could kill a few moments just by running, kicking and jumping. Might have been enough.
I'm thinking if one guy jumps, another will follow and so on. I agree the first guy would get messed up pretty bad no doubt about and I'm not blaming any bystandards for not jumping in (I still don't get how the mom didnt) I'm just saying I think it might have played out differently if it would've happend (assuming the fall didn't kill the kid).
Some keeper would have gotten in there within a minute max. You don't think an adult male could last that long?
Against 11 dogs? No effing way. Have you seen how quickly a 1 cop dog can take down an attacker? I know these aren't as big but there are 11 and they aren't trained to grab arms and not inflict lethal wounds.
my guess is there wern't to many people there, maybe just the mum on her own.
That siad a reasonable size man hold these things off assuming he was prepared to stand his ground, dogs are easy to cow if you arn't scared of them.
Having looked at the picture of the railing it is fairly clear the mum would have to be holding the kid on the railing, not having the kid 'balance' on his own like a Mighty Wallender. I have no doubt the kid then sliped off and she din't have the strength to hold him, maybe didn't have a good grip or the kid lunged foward, I would guess the dogs were milling below and the toddler couldn't see them or the like.
OR the mother placed the child on the railing and then turned her attention elsewhere. Your story is possible, but so is that one. Bottom line is we don't really know, but if it's the latter version then there could certainly be some legal grounds for criminal charges.
Against 11 dogs? No effing way. Have you seen how quickly a 1 cop dog can take down an attacker? I know these aren't as big but there are 11 and they aren't trained to grab arms and not inflict lethal wounds.
Again, I'm not saying that a human could jump in there kill all of the dogs, save the baby and go nail Heidi Klum.
He just needs to SURVIVE long enough to pull the baby out or draw attention away from it and for help to arrive which would be under a minute. Less if there were other guys around who would react the same way. If 4 or 5 jump I'm extremely confident that those dogs would cower. Remember, they cower to their keepers. Obviously, like everyone else has been saying, there probably wasn't too many people around so that idea is moot.
Think about how many times people have survived more devestating attacks in the wild by animals much bigger, who hunt for food daily and aren't raised in a zoo.
my guess is there wern't to many people there, maybe just the mum on her own.
That siad a reasonable size man hold these things off assuming he was prepared to stand his ground, dogs are easy to cow if you arn't scared of them.
Again, these are not domestic dogs. Watch the video above. A reasonable sized man can't hold off a police dog for more than a few moments, let alone 11 of them.
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Would it only take a minute for help to arrive?
Did the baby fall into all 11 and they started right away or did he fall and one started on it and it took 30 seconds for others to clue in.
With all these hypothetical possibilities, perhaps someone brought their gun with them to the zoo, could have jumped in and went to town.
Say what you want but unless anyone has tried to fight off 11 of these things and is around to talk about it, I have to believe that should 1 person of jumped in, they would have been killed as well. Its not that easy to round up 5+ people willing to jump into a wild dog cage where they will be out numbered in a matter of seconds.
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Again, I'm not saying that a human could jump in there kill all of the dogs, save the baby and go nail Heidi Klum.
He just needs to SURVIVE long enough to pull the baby out or draw attention away from it and for help to arrive which would be under a minute. Less if there were other guys around who would react the same way. If 4 or 5 jump I'm extremely confident that those dogs would cower. Remember, they cower to their keepers. Obviously, like everyone else has been saying, there probably wasn't too many people around so that idea is moot.
Think about how many times people have survived more devestating attacks in the wild by animals much bigger, who hunt for food daily and aren't raised in a zoo.
Watch the video and read the facts.. The dogs were on the baby in a matter of seconds, he would of been dead before anyone even got in the pit. No man or group of men could fend those things off, they would of died a violent bloody death. Again, it was a good 14 feet down, no one would of got the baby out or survived
They aren't that much smaller than a gray wolf, neither is a labrador. They also have some pretty serious teeth and are apparently known to be pretty aggressive. This isn't a threaten it with a rolled up newspaper and it'll run off situation.
Thank you.
They are not outright called wolves, but they are not much smaller than a wolf and about as aggressive as a wolf, so more or less, it's like jumping into a pit of 11 African equivalents of wolves
Watch the video and read the facts.. The dogs were on the baby in a matter of seconds, he would of been dead before anyone even got in the pit. No man or group of men could fend those things off, they would of died a violent bloody death. Again, it was a good 14 feet down, no one would of got the baby out or survived
Look at the pics. I've jumped from higher and its a significantly lower drop on the sides.
If the dogs were all around the baby when he fell then yes he was dead in a matter of seconds but if it took them a few moments to realize what was happening you may have had time to get out unscaved.
Anyone can post stupid youtube videos to justify a point. Look, all it takes is 3 guys, none of whom are very big, to scare off a PRIDE of LIONS from there kill... Lions are obviously no match for humans
If you don't think 4 or 5 guys could survive an attack or scare off a pack of dogs you seriously over-estimate these dogs.
Look at the pics. I've jumped from higher and its a significantly lower drop on the sides.
If the dogs were all around the baby when he fell then yes he was dead in a matter of seconds but if it took them a few moments to realize what was happening you may have had time to get out unscaved.
Anyone can post stupid youtube videos to justify a point. Look, all it takes is 3 guys, none of whom are very big, to scare off a PRIDE of LIONS from there kill... Lions are obviously no match for humans
If you don't think 4 or 5 guys could survive an attack by pack of dogs you seriously over-estimate these dogs.
Ok I think it's time to get Polak (god i hate your username) and a wild dog into the squared circle.
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Look at the pics. I've jumped from higher and its a significantly lower drop on the sides.
If the dogs were all around the baby when he fell then yes he was dead in a matter of seconds but if it took them a few moments to realize what was happening you may have had time to get out unscaved.
Anyone can post stupid youtube videos to justify a point. Look, all it takes is 3 guys, none of whom are very big, to scare off a PRIDE of LIONS from there kill... Lions are obviously no match for humans
If you don't think 4 or 5 guys could survive an attack or scare off a pack of dogs you seriously over-estimate these dogs.
Your entire scenario is based on what if after what if. I think it's time to let it go.
Ok I think it's time to get Polak (god i hate your username) and a wild dog into the squared circle.
Pssh you better blindfold me to make it fair
Did you not see my last animal fight?
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Your entire scenario is based on what if after what if. I think it's time to let it go.
Well yeah realtor1 said it best.
There is a lot variables. I mainly ment to express shock that the mom didn't jump in after her kid after seeing how low the railing actually was, but then it kind of went off on a tangent.
Look at the pics. I've jumped from higher and its a significantly lower drop on the sides.
If the dogs were all around the baby when he fell then yes he was dead in a matter of seconds but if it took them a few moments to realize what was happening you may have had time to get out unscaved.
Anyone can post stupid youtube videos to justify a point. Look, all it takes is 3 guys, none of whom are very big, to scare off a PRIDE of LIONS from there kill... Lions are obviously no match for humans
If you don't think 4 or 5 guys could survive an attack by pack of dogs you seriously over-estimate these dogs.
No I'm not over estimating anything, they are vicious, violent dogs that rip prey to shreds. 2 dogs per man is not very good odds at all.
I don't need to look at the picture, it is flat out stated it's 10-15 feet high. Look at the picture, we know, for sure the rail is 5 feet tall, the wall is easily the height of two of those rails combined. The height isn't very large in regards of jumping in, it's in regards of climbing back out.
Showing me a video of confident experienced bushmen in a wide open field who have probably chased off lions before doesn't change anything.
