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[Cole436]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Just for kicks I looked up what the voting record was for this bill in the House of representatives:
322 Yes
96 No
13 Abstain

I'm not graduate student, so I'm not sure if my math is correct, but that's 93% support right?

Not the numbers I was using. That's an entirely separate vote.
But again, keep argueing over a brushstroke and ignoring the entire painting

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Just for kicks I looked up what the voting record was for this bill in the House of representatives:
322 Yes
96 No
13 Abstain

I'm not graduate student, so I'm not sure if my math is correct, but that's 93% support right?

I believe it was the senate that voted 93% in favor, not the entire house.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by SoCalFlamesFan

There are 535 members of the House and 100 members in the Senate, which combined make up the entire Congress. Although it is true that the House is called the "congress" it is in fact a bit of a misnomer.

No.

There are 435 members of the House of Representatives
There are 100 Senators

Combined they make up a 535 member Congress.

[Locke]

This is all well and good, but I'm actually interested in the bill. Neither of those NY Times articles is particularly descriptive and I'm not watching the Guy Fawkes video, they give opinions of the bill, but what does it actually entail?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I believe it was the senate that voted 93% in favor, not the entire house.

But you can't just count the Senate when talking about a potential veto override just to make it look scarier.

[normtwofinger]

Cole, are you an American?

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Cole436

Not the numbers I was using. That's an entirely separate vote.
But again, keep argueing over a brushstroke and ignoring the entire painting

I did pose a question earlier about why Congress would turn against Obama, but it wasn't answered. Do you have any information on past vetos of the Presidential veto that could help out (especially when TTC's stat of 96% of Presidential vetos being the final say begins to interact with it)?

Originally Posted by Locke

This is all well and good, but I'm actually interested in the bill. Neither of those NY Times articles is particularly descriptive and I'm not watching the Guy Fawkes video, they give opinions of the bill, but what does it actually entail?

It's bill S.1253, Title X, Subtitle D
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:1:./temp/~c112CtSxlJ:e462105:

EDIT - The one that caught my eye when reading it quickly (I THINK it's the right bill) is section 1031

• (c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:
  • (1) Long-term detention under the law of war without trial until the end of hostilities against the nations, organizations, and persons subject to the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

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[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Cole436

Not the numbers I was using. That's an entirely separate vote.
But again, keep argueing over a brushstroke and ignoring the entire painting

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I believe it was the senate that voted 93% in favor, not the entire house.

Yes mikey that was the Senate, and Cole was arguing that if Obama Vetoed the bill that his veto would get overturned because this bill had 93%.

Well with my non-graduate level math skills, and about 30 seconds on google I'm pretty sure that 93% support number is a bunch of hooey!

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Yes mikey that was the Senate, and Cole was arguing that if Obama Vetoed the bill that his veto would get overturned because this bill had 93%.

Well with my non-graduate level math skills, and about 30 seconds on google I'm pretty sure that 93% support number is a bunch of hooey!

I see that. I was just trying to clarify that the 93% was the senate vote. I don't know the veto rules myself.

I don't really agree that Congress will veto the veto.

[Huntingwhale]

[Canuck-Hater]

Well its clear to me how much Calgarians give a s### about the constitution and human rights. Looks like people think its a big joke. Maybe you should come out of your cave and open your minds once in a while. If you care about Human rights and the Constitution, you must wear a tinfoil hat!

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

Well its clear to me how much Calgarians give a s### about the constitution and human rights. Looks like people think its a big joke. Maybe you should come out of your cave and open your minds once in a while. If you care about Human rights and the Constitution, you must wear a tinfoil hat!

I don't see why Calgarians would be all that worked up about the Constitution. It doesn't apply to them.

[Canuck-Hater]

Originally Posted by valo403

I don't see why Calgarians would be all that worked up about the Constitution. It doesn't apply to them.

Thats not the point. Its just the overall attitude of this thread.

[woob]

Originally Posted by Cole436

I'm not some child, I am a very, very well educated adult who does not need to be treated with this sort of demeaning tone.

After reading some of the replies and commentary from some posters in this thread, it's not you who I'm wondering is a child. Unreal.

[Makarov]

^ I don't think many (if any) people in this thread are supporting the proposed legislation. Rather, people have taken issue with the way in which the original poster made his argument against the legislation. Those are two different things.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

Well its clear to me how much Calgarians give a s### about the constitution and human rights. Looks like people think its a big joke. Maybe you should come out of your cave and open your minds once in a while. If you care about Human rights and the Constitution, you must wear a tinfoil hat!

I don't get that image from this thread. I get that the original post was done very poorly and a great deal of the thread has been used to have fun with the fact that, between many legitimate sources of concern, a video from ANONYMOUS was used.

I haven't seen anyone really support the bill here...

[THE SCUD]

Originally Posted by woob

After reading some of the replies and commentary from some posters in this thread, it's not you who I'm wondering is a child. Unreal.

Aren't you the guy who sided with the societal parasite hobos of #StinkifyOlympicPlaza?

[woob]

Originally Posted by THE SCUD

Aren't you the guy who sided with the societal parasite hobos of #StinkifyOlympicPlaza?

Nope. In fact I commented against them a few times. Thanks for trying, though. Not sure I see how that relates any ways? If I don't agree with the majority critics, my viewpoint is moot?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by woob

After reading some of the replies and commentary from some posters in this thread, it's not you who I'm wondering is a child. Unreal.

I think the lesson is that if you want to have a serious debate about an issue you should probably present an intelligent argument, as opposed to a sentence and a video from Anonymous. Why would anyone take you seriously if that's how you're going to present your argument? Add in the 'I'm getting my masters in this' line and the whole thing gets laughable.

It's a real issue, and if the OP is so well versed in it to be pursuing a masters in it you'd think he'd present some actual arguments, links to credible sources and *gasp* thoughts of his own. Instead we get a video and one line comments about the destruction of the Constitution and an impending police state.