Botched Circumcision: Who is at fault?

[Coys1882]

Oh, if a girl won't go down on a dude because a previous uncut boyfriend had a cheese platter, she needs to start dating guys she didn't meet at the Mustard Seed.

[lazypucker]

Jokes aside, from what I heard a lot of circumcision procedures performed at birth are money grabs by the doctors, especially in many Asian countries where health care is not covered.

[JonDuke]

I wasn't cut and apparently my folks had problems with me being unbearable because of an infection, so they did cut my younger brother.
I refused to have my son cut, and not because, as someone earlier mentioned, I wanted him to look like me. I have heard all the debates, mainly focusing on "cleanliness" and I am simply going to teach my son the importance of soap.
If I brought my daughter into a doctors office and asked for a female circumcision, they would refuse.And rightfully so, butI am dumbfounded why they don't do the same for people who bring their sons in to have a similar brutal procedure done to them.

If my son ever asks about it later, I will say I wanted to let him have the choice himself. I am pretty positive he won't cut it when he's old enough to make the decision and will be glad I didn't do it when he was born.

[Red Potato Standing By]

I am kinda glad it was done when I was an infant,sure it probably was very painful but I don't remember it at all. now I am sure if it had been left till I was an adult then I probably would remember it.I'd rather not have the pain in my memory..

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by T@T

I'm not sure if your a misinformed doctor or not but I'll tell you something thats 100% the truth.

My grandfather-lived 99 years
His brother lived 93 years
My father lived 79 years
One of my father brothers is 83 years and counting
One of my sisters aged 55
And myself (so far 49 years) have all had our gallbladders removed'(yeah,crazy family)

Not only do I not get diarrhea (odd time with the flu but that's it) but I have never heard of one of my family members complain about it.

Sorry man,I call bull##### on this, I can eat nails since my surgery and not even have a burp...best thing that ever happened to me was to get rid of my gallbladder.

lol ok I suppose we can also conclude your family must have been born without appendixes?

[Jedi Ninja]

Ugh... quoted wrong post. Trying to fix...

[troutman]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

I wasn't cut and apparently my folks had problems with me being unbearable because of an infection, so they did cut my younger brother.
I refused to have my son cut, and not because, as someone earlier mentioned, I wanted him to look like me. I have heard all the debates, mainly focusing on "cleanliness" and I am simply going to teach my son the importance of soap.

As I understand it, you should not use soap. Just water.

[Boblobla]

I don't get it, does firing one off in the shower not keep it clean for you turtle heads?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

lol ok I suppose we can also conclude your family must have been born without appendixes?

Ummm nope! Why in ignorance?

Lost mine at 19, My dad and his 2 brothers, one grandfather, my 2 sisters and numerous aunts uncles and cousins have had appendicitis. Maybe you didn't know such things as appendicitis and the loss of Gall Bladders run in the bloodlines.

My Dad had a plaque from his doctor showing he was the first civilian to ever receive penicillin in Canada.(possibly the world)It took a court order to get it as it was for military use only in the early 40's. I probably never would have been born without it as his appendix burst and he was dieing.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

I don't get it, does firing one off in the shower not keep it clean for you turtle heads?

I fire one off while I´m pooping, quite the ride.

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

If I brought my daughter into a doctors office and asked for a female circumcision, they would refuse.And rightfully so, butI am dumbfounded why they don't do the same for people who bring their sons in to have a similar brutal procedure done to them.

There is nothing similar about the two other than the word "circumcision".
http://http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/

I also have issue with people calling the procedure "brutal", "barbaric", and other heinous terms. In North America (at least) male circumcision in a medical procedure, same any other surgery. If anything it is comparable to plastic surgery. The procedure is not performed by some back woods witch doctor with a bowie knife or rock chisel.

Is it awful that I did not give my sons the choice? I make a lot of decisions for my kids, that's my job as their parent. Do they agree with all of them, no. Are some more permanent than others, yes. Every choice I make, I make in what I believe in my heart is in their best interest.

If they turn 18 and they want to live in resentment that they are circumcised, then good luck. But I like to think I will have raised them better than that.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

There is nothing similar about the two other than the word "circumcision".
http://http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/

I also have issue with people calling the procedure "brutal", "barbaric", and other heinous terms. In North America (at least) male circumcision in a medical procedure, same any other surgery. If anything it is comparable to plastic surgery. The procedure is not performed by some back woods witch doctor with a bowie knife or rock chisel.

Is it awful that I did not give my sons the choice? I make a lot of decisions for my kids, that's my job as their parent. Do they agree with all of them, no. Are some more permanent than others, yes. Every choice I make, I make in what I believe in my heart is in their best interest.

If they turn 18 and they want to live in resentment that they are circumcised, then good luck. But I like to think I will have raised them better than that.

I have never EVER met a cut dude who wishes he was uncut. I have however met a few guys who wish they were cut.

If there are some helmets who wish they were toques please pipe up and correct me.

Also, the term 'dick cheese' is one of the nastiest things ever.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

I have never EVER met a cut dude who wishes he was uncut. I have however met a few guys who wish they were cut.

If there are some helmets who wish they were toques please pipe up and correct me.

I think there was one guy here who was pretty passionate about it in past threads.

Also, the term 'dick cheese' is one of the nastiest things ever.

Boom goes the dynamite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smegma

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

I think there was one guy here who was pretty passionate about it in past threads.




Boom goes the dynamite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smegma

Why the #### did I click that link???

[Lobotroth]

Botched Circumcision: Who is at fault?

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

[Cain]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

There is nothing similar about the two other than the word "circumcision".
http://http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/

I also have issue with people calling the procedure "brutal", "barbaric", and other heinous terms. In North America (at least) male circumcision in a medical procedure, same any other surgery. If anything it is comparable to plastic surgery. The procedure is not performed by some back woods witch doctor with a bowie knife or rock chisel.

Is it awful that I did not give my sons the choice? I make a lot of decisions for my kids, that's my job as their parent. Do they agree with all of them, no. Are some more permanent than others, yes. Every choice I make, I make in what I believe in my heart is in their best interest.

If they turn 18 and they want to live in resentment that they are circumcised, then good luck. But I like to think I will have raised them better than that.

It would be similar to a girl having all of her outer labia cut off without her consent to conform to the perceived ideal look, while providing zero health benefits. This would still be outrageous to subject any female child to, yet it is what we do for many boys.

And yes, I find that subjecting a child to something that you would compare to "plastic surgery" brutal and barbaric. What are we shooting for, a population of ken and barbie dolls?

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

There is nothing similar about the two other than the word "circumcision".
http://http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/

I also have issue with people calling the procedure "brutal", "barbaric", and other heinous terms. In North America (at least) male circumcision in a medical procedure, same any other surgery. If anything it is comparable to plastic surgery. The procedure is not performed by some back woods witch doctor with a bowie knife or rock chisel.

Is it awful that I did not give my sons the choice? I make a lot of decisions for my kids, that's my job as their parent. Do they agree with all of them, no. Are some more permanent than others, yes. Every choice I make, I make in what I believe in my heart is in their best interest.

If they turn 18 and they want to live in resentment that they are circumcised, then good luck. But I like to think I will have raised them better than that.

I am curious, when you decided to have your sons circumcised, what was the best interest you were acting in?

Personally, in the ethics of the matter, I probably lean more toward the practice being fairly primitive and in large part a matter of generations of social conditioning. The medical and hygiene explanations are rather flimsy at best. However, I don't believe that comparing male circumcision to female circumcision is apt, though, since there are a great variety of types of FGM and they are most often done as a means of sexual control in a male dominated society -- something male circumcision isn't done for.

I do wonder, though, what those who consider male circumcision wrong because the child has no choice in the matter think of religious indoctrination from a young age and a child having no choice in it. But that's another matter.

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I am curious, when you decided to have your sons circumcised, what was the best interest you were acting

This is hard to answer online because in my mind it sounds fine but typing it reads horribly, but our reasons for circumcision were religious. My wife and I chose to raise our sons in a particular faith and to best be accepted by and participate in that faith circumcision is mandatory.

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I do wonder, though, what those who consider male circumcision wrong because the child has no choice in the matter think of religious indoctrination from a young age and a child having no choice in it. But that's another matter.

I wouldn't be surprised if they all just thought we were being raised as consumerists.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

However, I don't believe that comparing male circumcision to female circumcision is apt, though, since there are a great variety of types of FGM and they are most often done as a means of sexual control in a male dominated society -- something male circumcision isn't done for.

In a sense, non-religious male circumcision was popularized as a means of sexual control. The main proponents of it in the late 19th Century supported it precisely because it reduced the sensitivity of the head of the penis and would reduce the desire for masturbation.


Here's a quote (from here, about halfway down the page) written by Jonathan Hutchinson, who is basically the father of non-religious circumcision in the English-speaking world:

The only function which the prepuce can be supposed to have is that of maintaining the penis in a condition susceptible of more acute sensation than would otherwise exist. It may be supposed to increase the pleasure of the act and the impulse to it. These are advantages, however, which in the present state of society can well be spared, and if in their loss some degree of increased sexual control should result, one should be thankful.

Basically, he was a religious man who didn't like masturbation, so he made up some dubious science to convince other doctors that circumcision had general health benefits (he said that Jewish men had a lower rate of infection for syphilis than non-Jewish men, but as the chart on that page shows, as a percentage of the population, the Jewish infection rate was actually quite a lot higher than the non-Jewish rate).


Other supporters of the practice were Kellogg and Graham (inventors of Corn Flakes and the Graham Cracker) who had weird ideas about healthy lifestyles and also encouraged routine infant circumcision for the purpose of reducing depraved behaviour in young boys and men. In fact, the Graham cracker was created to be a bland, low-energy food to give to children before putting them down for a nap so that they wouldn't touch themselves in their sleep (not directly circumcision relate, but gives you an idea of his mindset).

[Reaper]

K, I'll "pipe" up.

I was circumcised but wish I hadn't been.

Men already have fewer nerve endings in their sexual organs than women. Why surgically remove any more of them?