CBC vs Quebecor

[MarchHare]

3. Despite me enjoying listening to CBC radio and the odd TV program I certainly do not believe it's worth the ~200 bucks a year I implicitly pay for it (Seriously, would you pay $200 a year for any collection of 3 radio stations and 2 TV channels)

Interestingly, the BBC -- a broadcaster many in this thread have spoken highly of -- is funded via mandatory television license fees which cost each UK household £145 (approximately CAD$230) per year. Unlike the CBC, the BBC receives no advertising revenue at all.

[THE SCUD]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Interestingly, the BBC -- a broadcaster many in this thread have spoken highly of -- is funded via mandatory television license fees which cost each UK household £145 (approximately CAD$230) per year. Unlike the CBC, the BBC receives no advertising revenue at all.

Good point - and if we did that, but consider that the gross fixed dollar figure required is likely similar, we would need about a $400 per household licence fee to account for the population discrepancy.

Wow, sure sounds like the $200 we pay now is a deal. That ought to shut up the whiners in this thread who wish we were American. I hope they double the CBC's budget.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Yeah I agree. We need more Little Mosque on the Prairies, Emily of New Moons, Battle of Blades, and Coronation Streets

It's popular to bash it, but Little Mosque on the Prairie is a ratings hit and has been sold to other networks all over the world. In 2008, Fox even bought the rights to make an Americanized version of the show.

IIRC, Battle of the Blades also has very strong ratings.

Neither are my cup of tea, but if you're going to slam the CBC for producing unpopular shows, at least choose examples that support your argument.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by THE SCUD

Wow, sure sounds like the $200 we pay now is a deal. That ought to shut up the whiners in this thread who wish we were American. I hope they double the CBC's budget.

I realize you are likely just trolling, but being ripped off half as much as you think we should be on the basis of your completely unscientific financial analysis of what CBC provides vs. what it costs us does not make CBC any less of a rip off.

Oh, and FWIW, even the BBC realizes it is bloated and needs to make significant budget cuts: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15165926

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

It's popular to bash it, but Little Mosque on the Prairie is a ratings hit and has been sold to other networks all over the world. In 2008, Fox even bought the rights to make an Americanized version of the show.

IIRC, Battle of the Blades also has very strong ratings.

Neither are my cup of tea, but if you're going to slam the CBC for producing unpopular shows, at least choose examples that support your argument.

Coronation Street was also absurd, as it is a British show, and thus not relevant to CanCon.

[CaptainCrunch]

I remember when CBC used to run softcore porn after midnights on Friday's just before they signed off of the air.

Then it had value to a 14 year old kid.

[Devils'Advocate]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2129174/

Apparently, the Australian's public broadcaster costs considerably more per taxpayer... and the BBC is almost triple what Canadians pay. I'd love to see a move to these non-advertised models.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2129174/

Apparently, the Australian's public broadcaster costs considerably more per taxpayer... and the BBC is almost triple what Canadians pay. I'd love to see a move to these non-advertised models.

Sure... make it a pay channel and let the people who care support it.

If you want to pay $400 a year for CBC's quality programming, that should be your choice.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2129174/

Apparently, the Australian's public broadcaster costs considerably more per taxpayer... and the BBC is almost triple what Canadians pay. I'd love to see a move to these non-advertised models.

We aren't Australia, we certainly aren't great Britain.

Please show me where there is an appearance of inpropriaty on an even level between those two organizations and the CBC?

And where would you cut funds from to support a non advertised model that would probabably cost double.

If you said that we would have the right to opt out of paying anything to CBC then I would say excellent go for it but take it off my taxes and take it off my basic cable and reduce that bill by an appropriate cost.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I would agree. However I am a big enough person to say I don't know how we get there from here.

Changing is one thing, scraping is another.

Well I think you have to start with focusing on what they do best. Radio, HNIC and news.

Go from there.

But people have to be open to the idea that the CBC has a lot of programming that is useless and just wastes a lot of money.

[YYC in LAX]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

It's popular to bash it, but Little Mosque on the Prairie is a ratings hit and has been sold to other networks all over the world. In 2008, Fox even bought the rights to make an Americanized version of the show.

IIRC, Battle of the Blades also has very strong ratings.

Neither are my cup of tea, but if you're going to slam the CBC for producing unpopular shows, at least choose examples that support your argument.

Even your argument, as boring as it was, was still more entertaining than all the mentioned shows combined.

My comment was intended to be satirical and light hearted.

If you want to get serious, just because a show has high ratings, it doesn't necessarily make it good. Jersey Shore, IMO is mindless garbage/filth but still scores well.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

If you said that we would have the right to opt out of paying anything to CBC then I would say excellent go for it but take it off my taxes and take it off my basic cable and reduce that bill by an appropriate cost.

Am I allowed to opt out of paying for new military equipment if I don't think it is a good use of my tax dollars?

What does "We're not Australia" even mean? Why can Australia afford a commercial-free public broadcaster while Canada cannot? What is inherent to their culture that they should have a public-funded station, but Canada not so much? I think it would be MORE important here given how close we are to the American border and need an outlet for our own culture.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Please show me where there is an appearance of inpropriaty on an even level between those two organizations and the CBC?

Given that I don't see any inpropriaty, I'm not sure how to address the question. If you are referring to the Rob Ford incident, he did drop the F-bomb repeatedly in his call. He was rude and obnoxious. SEVERAL sources said he called the operator the b-word, which the police chief says is not in the call. If I had several sources, I'd run with the story as well.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Am I allowed to opt out of paying for new military equipment if I don't think it is a good use of my tax dollars?

What does "We're not Australia" even mean? Why can Australia afford a commercial-free public broadcaster while Canada cannot? What is inherent to their culture that they should have a public-funded station, but Canada not so much? I think it would be MORE important here given how close we are to the American border and need an outlet for our own culture.

Go nuts, except that National Defense is a requirement of government as well as things like infrastructure and healthcare and social programs its of beneift to all etc. Paying for these things is essential

CBC is not a requirement of government if anything its a unimportant benefit. And at 1.6 billion is an inefficient waste of money.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Given that I don't see any inpropriaty, I'm not sure how to address the question. If you are referring to the Rob Ford incident, he did drop the F-bomb repeatedly in his call. He was rude and obnoxious. SEVERAL sources said he called the operator the b-word, which the police chief says is not in the call. If I had several sources, I'd run with the story as well.

Considering that they instigated the whole situation is improper.

Considering that they lied about their facts in their war against Quebecor is improper

Considering that they continue to ignore the access of information laws of this country make it improper.



So in essence they lie cheat and steal.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Given that I don't see any inpropriaty, I'm not sure how to address the question. If you are referring to the Rob Ford incident, he did drop the F-bomb repeatedly in his call. He was rude and obnoxious. SEVERAL sources said he called the operator the b-word, which the police chief says is not in the call. If I had several sources, I'd run with the story as well.

They're supposed to report the news, not be the news.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Am I allowed to opt out of paying for new military equipment if I don't think it is a good use of my tax dollars?

What does "We're not Australia" even mean? Why can Australia afford a commercial-free public broadcaster while Canada cannot? What is inherent to their culture that they should have a public-funded station, but Canada not so much? I think it would be MORE important here given how close we are to the American border and need an outlet for our own culture.

You're right. Canada would lose a great deal culturally if InSecurity and George Strombolopolis Tonight had no place to air. And, of course, that fine Canadian institution, Coronation Street, is on after Jeopardy!

Ironically, Jeopardy! might actually count as CanCon because of Alex Trebek.

[Devils'Advocate]

Well, if you read my previous posts in this thread, I did say that the CBC should go back to its roots and stick more to its mandate. Cutbacks means the CBC has to become more commercial, meaning more advertising, meaning more mainstream fare like Jeopardy.

It's funny though. So far those on the right have complained about "Little Mosque on the Prairie" and blasted the CBC for airing such Canadian shows. And then they complain that there isn't ENOUGH Canadian shows. Oi.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

It's funny though. So far those on the right have complained about "Little Mosque on the Prairie" and blasted the CBC for airing such Canadian shows. And then they complain that there isn't ENOUGH Canadian shows. Oi.

Not quite. The sentiment in this thread is that CBC has departed from its mandate as a national, objective broadcaster. It is no longer transparent and is hiding behind tradition and emotion to refuse to disclose questionable discretionary spending.

I'd say those who are spinning the argument nonsensically are the lefties.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Not quite. The sentiment in this thread is that CBC has departed from its mandate as a national, objective broadcaster. It is no longer transparent and is hiding behind tradition and emotion to refuse to disclose questionable discretionary spending.

I'd say those who are spinning the argument nonsensically are the lefties.

Presenting it that way is a much more reasoned approach then some are stating.

*backs away*