PA abortionist, and barbarian, may face death penalty.

[dammage79]

Such a sketchy topic. I am for any woman having the right to choose to abort a pregnancy. But what this man has done is malpractice bordering on sadism. Feed him to the people who pluck wings off of flies and legs off of grasshoppers. You know, the kind people who enjoy seeing the pain and agony caused by their efforts. He does not deserve a quick, honorable death.

[mrvee]

Those women that carried to full term should be sterilized.
As for the Doctor he'll find a new career in Law Inforcement.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by pylon

Bump on this:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/04/us/pen...tml?hpt=hp_bn1





There isn't a hell horrific enough for this monster. As someone who has had the misfortune to have to mercy kill an animal by snapping it's neck, I cannot even fathom how sick and cold blooded you would have to be to do that to a living, breathing, viable infant...with scissors. I couldn't sleep for a week after putting down a half squished cat in agony on the side of the road. This man made a career out of it. If there is any god, this man will be sentenced to die.

I am sure the pro-choicers will jump all over this, and find some angle to defend this butcher, but reading that, made me physically ill.

I generally agree with most of your posts and opinions but this has got to be the worst one I have ever seen from you.

You said the same thing in a 2011 post too and I didn't see anybody defend it then. But perhaps if you say it again this time it might come true for you.

I am suprised and expected better from you.

An absolute crap post, did Hoz hack your account?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by pylon

I am sure the pro-choicers will jump all over this, and find some angle to defend this butcher, but reading that, made me physically ill.

I'm going to second SeaBass, absolute garbage from you.

Pretty hilarious that you actually said this in the thread previously

I just want to say, that it is nice to see that this stayed civil. I was very worried when I started this thread, it was going to get ugly, and almost didn't do it. It's nice to see for once, such a polarizing topic being discussed rationally.

Yep, way to stay civil and rational Pylon

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by mrvee

Those women that carried to full term should be sterilized.
As for the Doctor he'll find a new career in Law Inforcement.

What? The fact is that none of us really know the medical reasons behind the abortions that occurred - it is possible that the fetus was compromised to such a degree that while it was viable the life that it would live would be painful and without hope of improvement. If the baby had anencephaly for instance and was born without a brain - it is ethical for a late term abortion at this stage? Everyone likes to think that it would be a healthy baby that would be born but that isn't what viable means, viable just means that it wouldn't immediately die if my interpretation is correct.

After that sterilization has happened in Alberta in the past and it isn't a road that I think we should even be mentioning in this conversation.

[pylon]

I wasn't pointing the finger at anyone on this website. I am speaking in general of the ultra liberal pro-choice movement/lobby. It wasn't meant as a slam on anyone here. There is an extreme side of the pro-choice movement that deems what this guy was doing to be A-OK, I had a discussion with one such person about this yesterday, and do not know if I could ever look them in the eye again after knowing they find this acceptable.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by pylon

I wasn't pointing the finger at anyone on this website. I am speaking in general of the ultra liberal pro-choice movement/lobby. It wasn't meant as a slam on anyone here. There is an extreme side of the pro-choice movement that deems what this guy was doing to be A-OK, I had a discussion with one such person about this yesterday, and do not know if I could ever look them in the eye again after knowing they find this acceptable.

You should probably make that clear, as it certainly doesn't come close to the viewpoint of anyone except the extreme fringes of the pro-choice movement.

[pylon]

Good, guilty. I hope they execute this mother fataer.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/justic...html?hpt=hp_t1

[CaptainCrunch]

This case really has nothing to do with pro-choice versus anti-abortion. It has everything to do with a monster that clearly broke the law, was a predator, that put lives in danger with his practices and made a lot of money doing it.

This thing was a textbook example of a serial predator.

Whether he gets the gas or gets the needle or gets life in prison is irrelevant to me.

It sounds like his attorney had little to nothing to work with, was unable to call any witnesses to save his client and resorted to cheap theatrics in the court room.

I would guess that the only real appeal would be ineffective council, but I think that one really only works after sentencing.

[GGG]

The one thing I struggle with this case is the difference between what was legal. Kill the baby prior to birth and what he did kill the baby after birth. I have a huge issue that the location of a baby can make what he did legal or not. If society is comfortable with a late term abortion why does it make a difference where it occurred. All of the justifications for late term abortions usually being fetus health quality of life arguments are just as valid before and after birth.

If the intent of the patient was to go in and have an abortion and the end result was a dead fetus and a healthy patient why does what happen in between entering and leaving the clinic matter in the eyes of the law.

Now in this case he broke the abortion law for late term abortions so deserves to be punished.

For the record I am against abortion in most circumstances but favour the legal right to choose.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by GGG

The one thing I struggle with this case is the difference between what was legal. Kill the baby prior to birth and what he did kill the baby after birth. I have a huge issue that the location of a baby can make what he did legal or not. If society is comfortable with a late term abortion why does it make a difference where it occurred. All of the justifications for late term abortions usually being fetus health quality of life arguments are just as valid before and after birth.

If the intent of the patient was to go in and have an abortion and the end result was a dead fetus and a healthy patient why does what happen in between entering and leaving the clinic matter in the eyes of the law.

Now in this case he broke the abortion law for late term abortions so deserves to be punished.

For the record I am against abortion in most circumstances but favour the legal right to choose.

And that is what is so sick about this debate, and why the pro-choice orgs are desperately avoiding this case and not giving it any press. The only thing this monster truly did, was wait for the head to pass an additional 3 centimeters to exit the vagina, and kill it on the table. As opposed to breaching the birth, and sucking it's brain out with a vacuum cleaner while all but it's head are outside the womb. I guess you could say this guy was actually more humane than most late term abortionists, and did it with a clean cut, as opposed to making a brain omelet.

The line is so fine, and late term abortions are so close to what this guy was doing, that my guess is pro-choice orgs and liberal media, is terrified this will re-open the late term murder debate. There has been debate that this guy could be the worlds greatest serial killer if they ever get an admission to how many children were killed like some sort of barnyard animals. This should have had a MASSIVE media following.

[mustache ride]

Originally Posted by pylon

After reading the article yesterday, I have given myself a crash course in late term abortions.

You need better hobbies.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

You need better hobbies.

Maybe you should look into it too, and find out what a late term abortion actually involves. To most people it is simply a term, but it is such a horrific, and evil procedure, I guarantee you, our current society will be judged by it someday in the future as to what sadistic, psychopathic, criminals we were.

I am not even pro-life. I believe up to a certain point, say 8 weeks or so, it isn't really a sentient being. But once a fetus has a viable chance at life, there is no excuse for it. If a woman was raped, 8 weeks is more than enough time to make the decision to terminate. If you are unfit to be a parent, and just don't want kids... 8 weeks is enough time to make that decision. If you got drunk and banged your cousin... same thing. But unless there is a substantial threat to the mothers life, or a baby that will be born brain dead, there is no excuse for this. And even that now, that is coming into debate, as child birth is now an incredibly safe procedure, and the danger to mothers is overblown, and being used as a crutch to justify their decisions.

I think a fair solution for anyone terminating a viable pregnancy in the late terms, would to be to kill the baby in utero and deliver it a stillbirth, if they are going to deem this an acceptable practice. The only catch, they mother has to push the button, or plunger and deliver the killing cocktail by her own hand. Take some responsibility in it. Not rely on someone who kills children for massive profit with less concern than most people have when they wipe their butt.

[mustache ride]

I think you have written a fair amount about yourself on this board. Late 30's Semi depressed guy. Maybe you are looking for a social issue to take up? Are you sure this is the one you wanna hitch your wagon to?
There are lot's of people to take up this cause. Maybe you are not the guy to be sitting in the dark learning about half dead babies. Just throwing it out there.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

I think you have written a fair amount about yourself on this board. Late 30's Semi depressed guy. Maybe you are looking for a social issue to take up? Are you sure this is the one you wanna hitch your wagon to?
There are lot's of people to take up this cause. Maybe you are not the guy to be sitting in the dark learning about half dead babies. Just throwing it out there.

What in the hell does that have to do with anything whatsoever?

And nice veiled insults.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

I think you have written a fair amount about yourself on this board. Late 30's Semi depressed guy. Maybe you are looking for a social issue to take up? Are you sure this is the one you wanna hitch your wagon to?
There are lot's of people to take up this cause. Maybe you are not the guy to be sitting in the dark learning about half dead babies. Just throwing it out there.

Wow - that's kind of unnecessary I would say.

[mustache ride]

I don't mean that as an insult. This is close to the worst thing possible and you're studying up on it. Why? Are you punishing yourself? Pick a new cause man. Find something a little more uplifting.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

I don't mean that as an insult. This is close to the worst thing possible and you're studying up on it. Why? Are you punishing yourself? Pick a new cause man. Find something a little more uplifting.

So just put blinders on and pretend it doesn't exist? Is that the answer?

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by pylon

I am not even pro-life. I believe up to a certain point, say 8 weeks or so, it isn't really a sentient being. But once a fetus has a viable chance at life, there is no excuse for it. If a woman was raped, 8 weeks is more than enough time to make the decision to terminate. If you are unfit to be a parent, and just don't want kids... 8 weeks is enough time to make that decision. If you got drunk and banged your cousin... same thing. But unless there is a substantial threat to the mothers life, or a baby that will be born brain dead, there is no excuse for this. And even that now, that is coming into debate, as child birth is now an incredibly safe procedure, and the danger to mothers is overblown, and being used as a crutch to justify their decisions.

If viability of the fetus is your threshold, you've got a much longer window than 8 weeks:

Completed weeks of Gestation at birth	21 and less	22	23	24	25	26	27	30	34
Chance of survival[5]	                    0%	        0-10%	10-35%	40-70%	50-80%	80-90%	>90%	>95%	>98%

[Ryan Coke]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

I don't mean that as an insult. This is close to the worst thing possible and you're studying up on it. Why? Are you punishing yourself? Pick a new cause man. Find something a little more uplifting.

Based on this series of posts, it is apparent you have far more significant issues than most on this board. Maybe instead of small minded potshots you should spend some time on some new hobbies, like self improvement.